The rate of increase has slowed under ACA
Don't people remember the early 2000s?
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- OT: Politics -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 08:57
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- pretty good thread; thanks for keeping the partisan stuff -
Jay,
2016-10-21, 11:34
- Agreed. I will say that, due to the Republican nominee, -
Grantland,
2016-10-21, 11:55
- Or... - BillyGoat, 2016-10-21, 12:09
- Agreed. I will say that, due to the Republican nominee, -
Grantland,
2016-10-21, 11:55
- Al Smith -
Grantland,
2016-10-21, 10:03
- Politics is changing -
JRT,
2016-10-21, 12:13
- I don't know how much Dolan was paraphrasing -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 12:21
- I'm glad they had that moment -
JRT,
2016-10-21, 12:33
- Statesmanship -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 13:01
- bring back earmarks
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Jay,
2016-10-21, 13:07
- bring back earmarks
- Statesmanship -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 13:01
- I'm glad they had that moment -
JRT,
2016-10-21, 12:33
- I don't know how much Dolan was paraphrasing -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 12:21
- Politics is changing -
JRT,
2016-10-21, 12:13
- I saw this graph on twitter -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-21, 07:53
- 42%... - PMan, 2016-10-21, 08:47
- Just voted. -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 16:30
- I will become a millionaire -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 17:16
- The tech to do that already exists... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-20, 17:27
- Currently watching Cubs-Dodgers in Chicago -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 17:49
- There was in the previous round as well -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-21, 05:40
- It was really interesting to watch both sides of that - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-21, 09:54
- There was in the previous round as well -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-21, 05:40
- Currently watching Cubs-Dodgers in Chicago -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 17:49
- The tech to do that already exists... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-20, 17:27
- I will become a millionaire -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 17:16
- Trump is not capable of logic. - nedhead, 2016-10-20, 16:25
- Trump is America's Brexit -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 14:16
- Regarding those valid concerns of Trump voters... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-20, 16:04
- Disenfranchised, not disadvantaged -
Jeff (BGS),
2016-10-21, 04:21
- Maybe some of both -
JN,
2016-10-21, 07:38
- But those people have their heads in the sand. -
domer.mq,
2016-10-21, 07:48
- Not having empathy won't solve anything, though - HullieAndMikes, 2016-10-21, 08:18
- To that point - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-10-21, 07:54
- article that directly addresses your thesis - Mike (bart), 2016-10-21, 07:51
- I just read a really good article about that dynamic. I -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 07:46
- This is the best one I've read... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-21, 07:52
- That's great - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 11:49
- That one covered my thoughts on this subject as well as any -
JN,
2016-10-21, 10:55
- Are family farms gone? - domer.mq, 2016-10-21, 12:45
- Thanks, well said - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 11:33
- Another one -
Flann,
2016-10-21, 08:40
- Very interesting, thanks for sharing -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 09:04
- Very interesting, thanks for sharing
- That's the one. I knew it was from a bizarre source. -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 08:01
- This is the best one I've read... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-21, 07:52
- But those people have their heads in the sand. -
domer.mq,
2016-10-21, 07:48
- That's much closer to my point -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 06:12
- What are these 'motivating concerns' you speak of? -
KGB,
2016-10-21, 07:20
- Well, let's see -
Dylan,
2016-10-21, 08:36
- This is the broad brush I'm talking about -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 08:57
- I'm curious if they even know about Trump's attacks... - domer.mq, 2016-10-21, 09:52
- One cannot talk about "the voters" without generalizing -
Dylan,
2016-10-21, 09:17
- But there are different ways to generalize -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:20
- There's a lot here, but let me focus on one thing. -
Dylan,
2016-10-21, 11:01
- It's the same assumption Hindenburg made... - domer.mq, 2016-10-21, 17:49
- Further, doesn't that refute the "Obama wrecked USA" notion? - irishvol, 2016-10-21, 12:44
- I don't know - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 11:12
- There's a lot here, but let me focus on one thing. -
Dylan,
2016-10-21, 11:01
- But there are different ways to generalize -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:20
- why aren't they sitting out? -
Jay,
2016-10-21, 09:00
- I think there's a huge number of Americans who think it's -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 09:06
- Exactly. They never miss a trip to the ballot box. -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 09:09
- I am also very curious... -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 09:37
- That's a tricky question -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:52
- Thanks. -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 12:34
- And to you - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 12:41
- Thanks. -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 12:34
- That's a tricky question -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:52
- And they would assuredly consider a third-party candidate - BillyGoat, 2016-10-21, 09:20
- I'm struggling to understand -
Jay,
2016-10-21, 09:20
- BillyGoat's on point - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 10:41
- I am also very curious... -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 09:37
- Exactly. They never miss a trip to the ballot box. -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 09:09
- I think there's a huge number of Americans who think it's -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 09:06
- Why do your parents... -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 09:00
- My purpose is not to argue those points -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 09:07
- Still... -
KGB,
2016-10-21, 10:04
- Sounds like my parents. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-21, 10:50
- Lots of folks were driven to Fox News by the over the -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 10:13
- Well, he was the first black president. - KGB, 2016-10-21, 13:20
- As a counterexample, I don't think MSNBC is any better -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:27
- Fox News viewers are loyal; they are also the most -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-21, 10:55
- sounds painfully familiar -
Jay,
2016-10-21, 10:59
- Yep. Here too. -
OGerry,
2016-10-21, 13:45
- Yep. Here too.
- sounds painfully familiar
- There's a big difference in the two -
CW (Rakes),
2016-10-21, 10:51
- And to point out the painfully obvious - Dylan, 2016-10-21, 11:11
- I don't disagree -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 11:02
- On bias - HullieAndMikes, 2016-10-21, 12:55
- Your last sentence is spot-on. It's so freeking hard to know -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-21, 11:10
- On the lighter side: An app recommendation - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 11:17
- Fox News viewers are loyal; they are also the most -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-21, 10:55
- I really don't think it's a difficult exercise -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-21, 10:11
- I agree with your post. And then throw in the fact that at - BillyGoat, 2016-10-21, 10:15
- Sounds like my parents.
- I was not clear. -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 09:19
- Ah, gotcha, sorry for the assumption -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:30
- Do you happen to know... -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 10:36
- They've experienced some of the negatives up close -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 11:26
- On the ACA -
CK08,
2016-10-21, 12:13
- The rate of increase has slowed under ACA - Dylan, 2016-10-21, 12:27
- I wonder what the national discussion would be - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 12:18
- On the ACA -
CK08,
2016-10-21, 12:13
- They've experienced some of the negatives up close -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 11:26
- Do you happen to know... -
PMan,
2016-10-21, 10:36
- Ah, gotcha, sorry for the assumption -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 10:30
- fwiw -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-21, 09:13
- I got caught up in so many other sub-threads - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 11:34
- Still... -
KGB,
2016-10-21, 10:04
- My purpose is not to argue those points -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 09:07
- This is the broad brush I'm talking about -
Brendan,
2016-10-21, 08:57
- JN pretty much nailed it above - Brendan, 2016-10-21, 08:28
- Well, let's see -
Dylan,
2016-10-21, 08:36
- What are these 'motivating concerns' you speak of?
- Maybe some of both -
JN,
2016-10-21, 07:38
- Trump voters are single-issue voters -
Dylan,
2016-10-20, 16:44
- I think this is it in a nutshell... -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-21, 05:46
- hot take -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-21, 05:51
- Is that really superior to parliamentary style? -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-10-21, 05:56
- maybe, but we aren't a parliamentary style government - Mike (bart), 2016-10-21, 06:12
- Is that really superior to parliamentary style? -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-10-21, 05:56
- hot take -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-21, 05:51
- He could walk around naked claiming he was wearing clothes - Jack, 2016-10-20, 16:50
- I think this is it in a nutshell... -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-21, 05:46
- Disenfranchised, not disadvantaged -
Jeff (BGS),
2016-10-21, 04:21
- As has been pointed out time and again, though - Jack, 2016-10-20, 14:47
- Not only is Trump nuts but he is making his supporters nuts -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 14:27
- His rallies are really something else - been threatened -
NDTerp,
2016-10-21, 07:25
- Did he have the USC Marching Band perform at a rally? - BillyGoat, 2016-10-21, 07:37
- They're not nuts, they're craven -
Dylan,
2016-10-20, 16:46
- Jeff Lord was basically invented to cover Trump... - domer.mq, 2016-10-20, 16:06
- And then there's Chris Christie and Ben Carson - Jack, 2016-10-20, 14:59
- Rudy isn't Trump's fault. -
Kevin,
2016-10-20, 14:30
- Not on 9/11 he wasn't -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 14:57
- He became mayor of New York by stoking fears among whites -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 15:12
- I thought he became mayor due to the non-fat yogurt scandal. -
LaFortune Teller,
2016-10-21, 04:46
- Actually it was more that his predecessor did nothing -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 16:41
- This thread is heavy on "Jacktually" posts -
Dylan,
2016-10-20, 17:10
- The Neil Degrasse-Tyson for a...ahem...different generation -
Jason93,
2016-10-21, 06:56
- DeGrasse-Tyson is really outdoing himself these days - HullieAndMikes, 2016-10-21, 07:49
- The Neil Degrasse-Tyson for a...ahem...different generation
- This thread is heavy on "Jacktually" posts -
Dylan,
2016-10-20, 17:10
- Are you saying there werent legitimate problems with NYC -
Turtlecrack,
2016-10-20, 16:13
- It's difficult to unwind all that, honestly - HullieAndMikes, 2016-10-21, 04:58
- Just saying that running as a "law and order" candidate -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 17:09
- If there is a real problem, is it necessarily dog whistle? - Turtlecrack, 2016-10-20, 18:44
- Agreed. It is a much better city because of him - Jack, 2016-10-20, 16:38
- I thought he became mayor due to the non-fat yogurt scandal.
- He became mayor of New York by stoking fears among whites -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-10-20, 15:12
- Not on 9/11 he wasn't -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 14:57
- His rallies are really something else - been threatened -
NDTerp,
2016-10-21, 07:25
- Regarding those valid concerns of Trump voters... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-20, 16:04
- hey, I just found out the latest Trump accuser - Jay, 2016-10-20, 14:12
- Any particular reason that you do not go third-party? -
jcocktoaston,
2016-10-20, 12:00
- Because I live in one of those places where my vote matters. -
Mike (Max),
2016-10-20, 17:51
- Because they are unserious vanity campaigns? -
Dylan,
2016-10-20, 12:25
- I think you just described Trumperism. - JRT, 2016-10-21, 08:05
- I think McMullin is a true believer. - domer.mq, 2016-10-20, 16:20
- I'll withdraw as I do not have time to engage -
jcocktoaston,
2016-10-20, 13:02
- HRC is not an objective horrible human being -
JN,
2016-10-20, 13:04
- Horrible may not be the right word. -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-20, 13:28
- Come on, Buck. - Kevin, 2016-10-20, 13:29
- I'm certain that I am just in the wrong bubble -
jcocktoaston,
2016-10-20, 13:07
- You're not weird. We all have our own bubbles. - OGerry, 2016-10-21, 07:13
- I have a tremendous amount of respect for HRC -
JD in Portland,
2016-10-20, 22:51
- Nobody has more respect for HRC than you. -
nedhead,
2016-10-21, 04:05
- Well played. She's amazing! -
JD in Portland,
2016-10-21, 07:23
- Well played. She's amazing!
- Nobody has more respect for HRC than you.
- Maybe. I don't know where you live or who's in your bubble -
JN,
2016-10-20, 16:35
- Sorry that I had to run yesterday - jcocktoaston, 2016-10-21, 06:55
- I think you are in the wrong bubble. - nedhead, 2016-10-20, 16:33
- Well, I'm the second then. She's been unjustly -
oviedoirish,
2016-10-20, 13:22
- This is like the football coach argument all over again. -
KGB,
2016-10-20, 13:41
- Her presidency will be a four year trainwreck - OGerry, 2016-10-20, 14:32
- he's giving outsiders a bad name -
irishoutsider,
2016-10-20, 14:02
- She sucks. -
Kevin,
2016-10-20, 13:26
- If that was true - Jeff (BGS), 2016-10-20, 14:07
- I'd say we've been on a pretty good run -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-20, 13:36
- I can't see any reason to elevate GWB over HRC - JRT, 2016-10-21, 08:19
- Agree, We've been crying wolf -
Flann,
2016-10-21, 06:28
- I agree with this - JRT, 2016-10-21, 08:26
- there's certainly been an interesting calling in of - Mike (bart), 2016-10-21, 06:47
- McCain has outed himself - JN, 2016-10-20, 15:00
- This time, it's actually true. - Kevin, 2016-10-20, 13:47
- is everybody following Triumph's election coverage? -
Jay,
2016-10-20, 13:35
- Dunk the Muslim at the Trump rally was hilarious. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-20, 13:56
- Trump focus group; PC college students -
Jay,
2016-10-20, 14:06
- They are actors, correct? -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 14:23
- nope. and another -- stalking Ted Cruz -
Jay,
2016-10-20, 14:24
- "especially Christian" so funny -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 14:37
- "especially Christian" so funny
- nope. and another -- stalking Ted Cruz -
Jay,
2016-10-20, 14:24
- They are actors, correct?
- Trump focus group; PC college students -
Jay,
2016-10-20, 14:06
- Dunk the Muslim at the Trump rally was hilarious.
- This is like the football coach argument all over again. -
KGB,
2016-10-20, 13:41
- Horrible may not be the right word. -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-20, 13:28
- HRC is not an objective horrible human being
- Well, they actually do. But they get about 1% of the vote - Jack, 2016-10-20, 12:33
- Have you heard them speak? -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-20, 12:22
- I actually read piece on the Greens convention -
hobbs,
2016-10-20, 12:43
- Jill Stein is a f*cking loon. - KGB, 2016-10-20, 13:46
- Very appropriate typo. -
BillyGoat,
2016-10-20, 12:51
- On the other hand ... - Mark, 2016-10-20, 12:51
- Yet Dr. Jill wonders why Bernie Sanders won't take her calls -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 12:49
- Buck: You have to go listen to the John Oliver -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:24
- Oh yeah, I'm doing so now. -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-20, 12:27
- It is so odd it looks altered somehow. -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:28
- I really thought the same thing upon my first - Buck Mulligan, 2016-10-20, 12:38
- It is so odd it looks altered somehow.
- Oh yeah, I'm doing so now. -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-20, 12:27
- I actually read piece on the Greens convention -
hobbs,
2016-10-20, 12:43
- YES: -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:04
- Is Johnson pulling a Weekend at Bernie's with Bill Weld? -
Samari,
2016-10-20, 14:58
- Is Johnson pulling a Weekend at Bernie's with Bill Weld?
- Because I live in one of those places where my vote matters.
- Related - Esquire has a really good article up on the Russia - hobbs, 2016-10-20, 11:39
- The Constitution does not need to be protected -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-10-20, 11:21
- Your post is worth more than two cents. - Grantland, 2016-10-20, 12:27
- To clarify - "protect the people" is not quite what she said -
JN,
2016-10-20, 11:08
- Right but I heard "protect the people -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:02
- I'm confused by your position -
JN,
2016-10-20, 12:54
- I am saying I do not like the fact that both - Grantland, 2016-10-20, 13:27
- I'm confused by your position -
JN,
2016-10-20, 12:54
- Right but I heard "protect the people -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:02
- No, you're the puppet! -
KGB,
2016-10-20, 09:35
- It was perfect Per Wee Herman - JD in Portland, 2016-10-20, 22:55
- He's a 70-year old child. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2016-10-20, 11:06
- Charles Blow calls him a "Terroristic Man-Toddler" - hobbs, 2016-10-20, 12:46
- The last acceptable form of discrimination. -
fightinamish,
2016-10-20, 10:57
- Sockface for President - irishoutsider, 2016-10-20, 10:50
- "You're Schmoopie!" "No, you're Schmoopie!" - Jack, 2016-10-20, 10:18
- The "such a nasty woman" comment might have been -
CK08,
2016-10-20, 09:39
- She broke him - JN, 2016-10-20, 11:18
- One of the things about being a politician - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-10-20, 10:59
- YOU'RE a towel. -
MattG,
2016-10-20, 09:36
- Related: What is the deal with Trump and Putin... -
Mobster,
2016-10-20, 09:19
- There's speculation that he's looking to do business there -
JRT,
2016-10-20, 11:12
- Right, to be clear, his nonsensical saber rattling - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-10-20, 11:14
- Trump is vain -
Flann,
2016-10-20, 09:48
- The problem is, Trump is the kind of mark that -
Mark,
2016-10-20, 12:57
- In Putin I see a man who learned much in the KGB - Grantland, 2016-10-20, 13:34
- He probably thinks your post is about him -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 10:49
- I don't have to like this post, - Buck Mulligan, 2016-10-20, 12:16
- Well, he has said he likes people who like him. -
Silk,
2016-10-20, 10:48
- The problem is, Trump is the kind of mark that -
Mark,
2016-10-20, 12:57
- Tough to say w/ no tax returns. But people are saying yes. - MattG, 2016-10-20, 09:36
- There's a lot of different things going on there -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-10-20, 09:31
- I'm going to take slight issue with #1 -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 09:42
- Here's the direct quote -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 10:48
- And in the same article... -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 11:03
- I stopped reading at "After the news conference" - Jack, 2016-10-20, 12:26
- I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion -
JN,
2016-10-20, 11:14
- I don't think it's pretty obvious at all -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 11:30
- Even if your interpretation were correct - JN, 2016-10-20, 12:59
- This conversation reminds me -
Chris (HCC),
2016-10-20, 11:55
- An excellent point -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 13:51
- You answered that bigly. -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:30
- An excellent point
- What's done his campaign no favors... -
domer.mq,
2016-10-20, 11:54
- Plus it's not just random surrogates -
CK08,
2016-10-20, 12:00
- And his daughter, too -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 12:30
- And his daughter, too
- Plus it's not just random surrogates -
CK08,
2016-10-20, 12:00
- I don't think it's pretty obvious at all -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 11:30
- And in the same article... -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 11:03
- I can't believe I'm losing to this guy -
Jeff (BGS),
2016-10-20, 10:10
- Yeah, but Dude, you went and did this - Jack, 2016-10-20, 10:45
- I was just using shorthand for primer's sake -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-10-20, 09:51
- Indeed -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 10:41
- Indeed
- Here's the direct quote -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 10:48
- I'm going to take slight issue with #1 -
Brendan,
2016-10-20, 09:42
- There's speculation that he's looking to do business there -
JRT,
2016-10-20, 11:12
- As a native son of Ohio -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-20, 09:10
- For the life of me... -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-20, 11:33
- A lot of it boiled down to - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-10-20, 11:41
- For the life of me... -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-20, 11:33
- Rebuttal: If the Constitution doesn't protect the people -
HCE,
2016-10-20, 09:09
- But the SC and the Constitution is not be be used to - Grantland, 2016-10-20, 12:34
- Even though I personally agree with Clinton's desired - BillyGoat, 2016-10-20, 09:14
- Yeah, for all his other faults, Trump's lack of even an - BillyGoat, 2016-10-20, 09:09
- For almost 30 minutes he actually seemed reasonable and -
Jack,
2016-10-20, 09:08
- the sedatives wore off. :-) -
oviedoirish,
2016-10-20, 10:26
- the sedatives wore off. :-)
- "We the People"... -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 09:08
- and the rest of the intro (paraphrased) provides: -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:14
- Exactly. -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 12:52
- But the Laws, not the People, rule. -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 14:09
- No. -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 14:37
- I am not arguing for Strict Construction - Grantland, 2016-10-21, 10:05
- No. -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 14:37
- But the Laws, not the People, rule.
- Exactly. -
PMan,
2016-10-20, 12:52
- I've got just the t-shirt for you. -
Chris,
2016-10-20, 09:14
- The meaning changes... - PMan, 2016-10-20, 09:16
- and the rest of the intro (paraphrased) provides: -
Grantland,
2016-10-20, 12:14
- pretty good thread; thanks for keeping the partisan stuff -
Jay,
2016-10-21, 11:34