the MLB "franchise four"

by Jay , San Diego, Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 22:09 (3621 days ago)
edited by Jay, Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 22:13

Baseball released a sort of Mount Rushmore for each franchise, the four greatest players in franchise history. I think this was done by fan voting, but I'm not sure.

I think St. Louis got 3 out of 4 correct. I would swap in Ozzie Smith for Lou Brock. Also might make room for Albert, but it's tough to bump Gibson or Hornsby.

Other quibbles?

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/136694204/greatest-living-players-franchise-fours-named

Angels
Vladimir Guerrero
Nolan Ryan
Tim Salmon
Mike Trout

Astros
Jeff Bagwell
Lance Berkman
Craig Biggio
Nolan Ryan

Athletics
Dennis Eckersley
Jimmie Foxx
Rickey Henderson
Reggie Jackson

Blue Jays
Roberto Alomar
Joe Carter
Carlos Delgado
Roy Halladay

Braves
Hank Aaron
Chipper Jones
Greg Maddux
Warren Spahn

Brewers
Cecil Cooper
Rollie Fingers
Paul Molitor
Robin Yount

Cardinals
Lou Brock
Bob Gibson
Rogers Hornsby
Stan Musial

Cubs
Ernie Banks
Ryne Sandberg
Ron Santo
Billy Williams

D-backs
Paul Goldschmidt
Luis Gonzalez
Randy Johnson
Curt Schilling

Dodgers
Don Drysdale
Sandy Koufax
Jackie Robinson
Duke Snider

Giants
Barry Bonds
Willie Mays
Willie McCovey
Buster Posey

Indians
Bob Feller
Tris Speaker
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel

Mariners
Ken Griffey Jr.
Felix Hernandez
Edgar Martinez
Ichiro Suzuki

Marlins
Jeff Conine
Mike Lowell
Gary Sheffield
Giancarlo Stanton

Mets
Keith Hernandez
Mike Piazza
Tom Seaver
David Wright

Nationals/Expos
Gary Carter
Andre Dawson
Vladimir Guerrero
Tim Raines

Orioles
Jim Palmer
Cal Ripken Jr.
Brooks Robinson
Frank Robinson

Padres
Tony Gwynn
Trevor Hoffman
Randy Jones
Dave Winfield

Phillies
Richie Ashburn
Steve Carlton
Robin Roberts
Mike Schmidt

Pirates
Roberto Clemente
Bill Mazeroski
Willie Stargell
Honus Wagner

Rangers
Adrian Beltre
Ivan Rodriguez
Nolan Ryan
Michael Young

Rays
Evan Longoria
David Price
James Shields
Ben Zobrist

Red Sox
Pedro Martinez
David Ortiz
Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski

Reds
Johnny Bench
Barry Larkin
Joe Morgan
Pete Rose

Rockies
Andres Galarraga
Todd Helton
Troy Tulowitzki
Larry Walker

Royals
George Brett
Dan Quisenberry
Bret Saberhagen
Frank White

Tigers
Miguel Cabrera
Ty Cobb
Hank Greenberg
Al Kaline

Twins
Rod Carew
Harmon Killebrew
Tony Oliva
Kirby Puckett

White Sox
Harold Baines
Paul Konerko
Minnie Minoso
Frank Thomas

Yankees
Joe DiMaggio
Lou Gehrig
Mickey Mantle
Babe Ruth

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the MLB "franchise four" - Jay, 2015-07-14, 22:09
- The Cubs suck. - nedhead, 2015-07-17, 14:08
  - The Hawk, baby - IrishGuard, 2015-07-17, 15:02
    - "When I hit the ball over the fence - nedhead, 2015-07-17, 16:03
- Pirates also at least 3 out of 4 - CW (Rakes), 2015-07-15, 11:52
- On my ballot for Braves I would have put in - Grantland, 2015-07-15, 11:32
- Nats and Expos have no business being lumped together. - NDTerp, 2015-07-15, 10:00
  - Why not? It's the same team - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:18
    - I'd rather combine both Senators teams with the Nats. - MattG, 2015-07-16, 08:21
      - Yeah, Giants are sort of there, too. - KGB, 2015-07-16, 10:20
      - What about the St. Louis Browns becoming the Orioles? - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-16, 08:40
    - Sorry, I disagree with all of this. - KGB, 2015-07-16, 07:34
  - Nats have no business being there at all. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 10:29
    - Agreed, but combined with the Expos, the Nats are a - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:26
      - But they're not really combined at all. - KGB, 2015-07-16, 07:24
- Some early players who could be on there. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 09:35
  - See my post below. Joe Jackson played longer and better for - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:14
    - Longer? - MattG, 2015-07-16, 08:34
  - Eddie Collins is pretty egregious - JRT, 2015-07-15, 12:09
    - I thought about Collins but wasn't sure where to put him. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 13:12
  - Foxx made it. - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 10:03
- Nolan Ryan on three different teams - Busco21, 2015-07-15, 07:48
  - Just 2 (Rangers/Astros) - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 07:57
    - He is listed under the Angels. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 08:01
      - Speaking of the Angels, I think Garrett Anderson over Vlad - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 09:04
        
        No Rod Carew? - nedhead, 2015-07-17, 14:41
      - You're right. My ability to use CTRL+F is poor. - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 08:07
  - The Mets and Rangers selections make no sense. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 07:54
    - For the Rangers - NDTex, 2015-07-15, 10:01
      - Beltre and Andrus should be in as a duo. - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 16:02
        
        I love those two - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2015-07-15, 17:05
      - You left out the best part: - nedhead, 2015-07-15, 13:15
        
        That plus - NDTex, 2015-07-15, 14:00
    - He's not on the Mets (Seaver, Piazza, Wright, Hernandez) - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 07:57
      - I love David Wright - Brendan, 2015-07-15, 20:07
        
        Can't agree with you there - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2015-07-15, 22:09
        
        Hmm - Brendan, 2015-07-18, 03:54
      - should have been Gooden, Strawberry, Dykstra, and Carter - Jay, 2015-07-15, 08:15
      - Thanks for the correction...I just assumed they were one - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 07:59
- The White Sox don't go far back enough - Jack, 2015-07-15, 07:43
  - I guess you can't have Joe Jackson on there - JRT, 2015-07-15, 09:32
    - Jackson played only 4.5 years with the Sox anyway - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:02
      - That's all he played with Cleveland, too. - MattG, 2015-07-16, 11:22
    - If Pete Rose can be on the Reds' list, Jackson can be on CWS - MattG, 2015-07-15, 10:07
      - Except he played longer for the Indians - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:03
  - Good points. It gets into the criteria... - BillyGoat, 2015-07-15, 08:53
    - I completely forgot Luke Appling - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:12
  - PK / Baines are a bit generous - irishoutsider, 2015-07-15, 08:33
    - If the ownership was deciding this, it completely explains - Jack, 2015-07-15, 23:09
- The best part of this list is Michael Young - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 07:36
  - His gold glove at SS was laughable - NDTex, 2015-07-15, 10:07
  - I enjoy Ben Zobrist on the Tampa team. - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 07:43
    - Jeff Conine on the Marlins is worth a chuckle too - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 07:57
      - Randy Jones has a career ERA+ of 101 - JN, 2015-07-15, 09:53
      - Another odd one: Robbie Alomar on Toronto (5 years, .307) - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 08:15
        
        One could make the argument - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2015-07-15, 08:24
        
        Bautista is a better choice for Toronto - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 08:20
        
        But helped them to two World Series wins - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 08:19
- My dad is probably upset Luis Aparicio didn't make it - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 07:11
  - Baines would be my first to cut - Jack, 2015-07-15, 07:47
  - I had the same thought about Luis. There's Minnie, who - BillyGoat, 2015-07-15, 07:31
    - He wasn't on the '59 team because he was traded to - Jack, 2015-07-15, 07:49
    - If I really wanted - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 07:38
- I think the Cards' list is right. - Kevin, 2015-07-15, 06:32
  - I love Brock - Jay, 2015-07-15, 08:43
    - You are right - Domer99, 2015-07-15, 09:06
  - They were way off. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 07:07
  - Speaking of Molina... - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 06:34
    - Speaking of the Cards - Domer99, 2015-07-15, 06:55
      - It's been embraced for some time - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 07:26
    - They're apparently buddies now. - Kevin, 2015-07-15, 06:51
- The '84 Tigers just cannot catch a break. - PAK, 2015-07-15, 06:29
  - But I take no issue with the 4 Tigers they picked - JD in Portland, 2015-07-15, 07:08
    - Oh I agree with you, just being snarky. - PAK, 2015-07-15, 07:15
- Not sure about including current players under 30... - Jim (OFD), 2015-07-15, 05:44
  - Maddux is the right choice - scriptcomesfirst, 2015-07-15, 07:25
    - I don't think the quibble is with Maddux... - PAK, 2015-07-15, 12:59
      - Exactly. - Jim (OFD), 2015-07-15, 17:02
        
        Cub fan, too, but he won 3 Cy Youngs with the Braves - scriptcomesfirst, 2015-07-16, 12:30
    - Not sure you need those last 3 words - JN, 2015-07-15, 10:05
      - I agree, but many others don't. - scriptcomesfirst, 2015-07-15, 11:14
  - It only feels wrong if you happen to be a Cubs fan. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 06:17
  - Maddux's WAR in 11 years was 66.0. In 20 years, Smoltz 67.0 - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 06:11
- The four greatest living baseball players - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 05:40
  - other candidates: Bonds, Rickey Henderson, Schmidt, Morgan - Jay, 2015-07-15, 08:27
    - pujols? - JN, 2015-07-15, 09:54
      - he's already 20th in history in lifetime WAR - Jay, 2015-07-15, 10:10
        
        Yeah, he's right there. - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 11:43
    - Reggie Jackson - KelleyCook, 2015-07-15, 09:01
    - Mays, Aaron, Bonds, Clemens - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 08:57
      - Agree with this - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2015-07-15, 09:28
    - Seaver, Maddux, and Clemens should rate ahead of Koufax - Flann, 2015-07-15, 08:45
  - I would sooner take issue with Koufax than Bench. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 06:45
    - Randy Johnson could stake claim - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2015-07-15, 07:37
    - Arguably not the best NL pitcher born in late 1935 - Savage, 2015-07-15, 07:00
      - Sorry, Koufax wins that in a landslide... - BillyGoat, 2015-07-15, 08:55
  - Not even the greatest living catcher. - Savage, 2015-07-15, 05:47
    - Is he even the greatest living Red? - Chi08, 2015-07-15, 06:40
      - Who are the alternatives? Joe Morgan, Frank Robinson? - Savage, 2015-07-15, 06:43
        
        Pete Rose? - Chi08, 2015-07-15, 07:08
    - FWIW, Bench leads that group in WAR by a large margin - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 06:24
      - F*ck that guy's rings. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 06:39
        
        Yogi was also a 3x league MVP and a 18 time all star - hobbs, 2015-07-15, 06:43
        
        Ok. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 06:56
        
        Yankee fan here. Bench > Berra. - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 07:06
        
        I think it's interesting that you guys favor Rivera. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 07:11
        
        A lot of Rivera's value comes from the post season - Flann, 2015-07-15, 07:34
        
        It's really close and really tough - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 07:28
        
        Partially explained by Berra playing 3 more years - irishvol, 2015-07-15, 06:46
- Jetah!!!! - Chris, 2015-07-15, 05:39
- AWad should be on the M's list ahead of Felix Hernandez - hobbs, 2015-07-14, 22:58
  - Jeter is not the best shortstop ever - Flann, 2015-07-15, 06:42
    - DiMaggio isn't even the best *Yankee* center fielder ever - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 06:59
      - Probably a dumb question: Who is? - BillyGoat, 2015-07-15, 08:56
        
        Mantle. Although you could argue DiMaggio over Mantle - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 08:58
        
        Thought he played a corner. What an athletic freak. - BillyGoat, 2015-07-15, 09:02
        
        Trout is Mantle 2.0 - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 09:08
        
        How is Trout only 23? - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-07-15, 09:09
        
        Because he was born in August of 1991. - Mike (Embrey), 2015-07-15, 09:12
        
        Trout is not on the typical human aging cycle - Jay, 2015-07-15, 09:14
        
        He played some left from 1964-1966 before going to 1B - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 09:05
        
        Jeter - Jay, 2015-07-15, 08:57
        
        Best fans in baseball! - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 09:01
      - I view it as an argument for Berra over Dimaggio - Flann, 2015-07-15, 07:20
  - Mo > Jeter - Chris, 2015-07-15, 06:37
  - Re: Yanks - Ken Fowler, 2015-07-15, 06:14
  - What about Randy Johnson? - KGB, 2015-07-15, 04:48
    - Clemens as a Red Sock? - Jay, 2015-07-15, 09:02
    - Speaking of the Reds, - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 07:35
      - I blame the west side. - KGB, 2015-07-15, 07:52
        
        I was at Flanagan's - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2015-07-15, 08:09

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