I do think it's fair to say that the offense was better
but still unimpressive. It was unimpressive last season. Getting better doesn't necessarily move the needle from unimpressive to impressive.
Offensive line play was unimpressive.
Short yardage running was unimpressive.
Tight end play was unimpressive.
Incorporation of the running game (once Folston became impressive) was unimpressive.
Complete thread:
- Program health check -
Jay,
2014-12-02, 16:51
- fun thread to read; thanks for the effort -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 12:02
- Ah, that's the level of analysis you were looking for. -
Greg,
2014-12-03, 12:13
- You're dumb! - Joe, 2014-12-03, 14:14
- Ah, that's the level of analysis you were looking for. -
Greg,
2014-12-03, 12:13
- More bullish than some but I have concerns - Brendan, 2014-12-03, 10:51
- mine - HumanRobot, 2014-12-03, 08:18
- Mine... - Mobster, 2014-12-03, 07:39
- Mine - Buffalo, 2014-12-03, 07:25
- Mine - Jason93, 2014-12-03, 07:11
- My own take -
HullieAndMikes,
2014-12-03, 06:55
- Nit w/r/t ST -
Pat (Moco),
2014-12-03, 07:08
- Yeah I'll defer to you on that - HullieAndMikes, 2014-12-03, 07:28
- Nit w/r/t ST -
Pat (Moco),
2014-12-03, 07:08
- Mine. - Bingo, 2014-12-03, 06:43
- could use some more ranks here -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 06:29
- Ranks (excl. 2016 parts) - Kevin, 2014-12-03, 06:44
- For special teams, how do you define "Immediate future?" -
Pat (Moco),
2014-12-02, 18:49
- I think our coverage teams have been pretty good this year -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:30
- I'm assuming Bryant takes over every role. - Pat (Moco), 2014-12-02, 20:07
- I think our coverage teams have been pretty good this year -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:30
- My ranks - Larry, 2014-12-02, 18:18
- ranks -
Jay,
2014-12-02, 17:45
- I think you're too low on the 2015 defensive lineup - BPH, 2014-12-02, 18:59
- I would downgrade our offensive scheme to a "2" -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 18:46
- I would be very surprised - Brendan, 2014-12-03, 06:39
- you just mean the run game, right? -
Jay,
2014-12-02, 18:59
- No, I mean having an offensive identity. - Bill, 2014-12-02, 19:01
- I think you're being a little unfair -
BPH,
2014-12-02, 18:56
- Do you know what our offense is going to be like next year? -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 18:59
- I think compentence is a much bigger issue than consistency. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 03:26
- Gravity game -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 06:17
- It's better but not good enough. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 06:37
- 31st scoring & total offense vs. FBS. - PAK, 2014-12-03, 07:51
- I do disagree -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 07:26
- I do think it's fair to say that the offense was better -
Bill,
2014-12-03, 07:50
- Please define "impressive" -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:07
- I think you would use the phrase - Greg, 2014-12-03, 08:38
- Well, I didn't introduce the term into the discussion. - Bill, 2014-12-03, 08:23
- Please define "impressive" -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:07
- Top 40 is not a "handful." -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 07:33
- 17th in S&P offense -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 07:51
- Does S&P consider how many points an offense surrenders -
Ken Fowler,
2014-12-03, 08:22
- Plenty of room for critique on S&P, sure - Eric M, 2014-12-03, 08:40
- I thought "points scored" seemed pretty accurate. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 08:10
- 11th highest scoring average since 1960 -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 08:22
- Special teams cost them > 2 ppg. 10 missed FGs. -
PAK,
2014-12-03, 08:40
- And Stanford was a lot closer than it should have been. - Pat (Moco), 2014-12-03, 16:45
- "Impressive" seems to be driving this subthread. - Kevin, 2014-12-03, 08:30
- Special teams cost them > 2 ppg. 10 missed FGs. -
PAK,
2014-12-03, 08:40
- Our offensive SOS was 18th per FEI. - PAK, 2014-12-03, 08:14
- 11th highest scoring average since 1960 -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 08:22
- So we're 24th out of 65 "Power 5" teams in that category. -
Bill,
2014-12-03, 07:54
- Without schedule adjusting, yes - Eric M, 2014-12-03, 07:58
- Does S&P consider how many points an offense surrenders -
Ken Fowler,
2014-12-03, 08:22
- National offensive rankings are essentially meaningless -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 07:49
- I think it means something when you consider what we needed. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 08:17
- We averaged 33 ppg. ASU (#19) averaged 37. -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:29
- Can one contribute to another? -
HumanRobot,
2014-12-03, 08:38
- Yes and no -
Greg,
2014-12-03, 08:51
- why were they running that route in the Navy game? - HumanRobot, 2014-12-03, 08:57
- Sure, but look at ASU's offense and look at ours -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:45
- I think our turnover problem was systemic. -
Bill,
2014-12-03, 08:55
- a Golson problem or not is almost immaterial -
HumanRobot,
2014-12-03, 09:01
- Efficiency matters, not absolute points for one team -
ndphilo,
2014-12-03, 11:42
- counterpoint -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 12:14
- True, but efficiency still matters - ndphilo, 2014-12-03, 12:22
- agreed -
HumanRobot,
2014-12-03, 11:57
- Depends if those conservative calls really would reduce - ndphilo, 2014-12-03, 12:10
- counterpoint -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 12:14
- Efficiency matters, not absolute points for one team -
ndphilo,
2014-12-03, 11:42
- a Golson problem or not is almost immaterial -
HumanRobot,
2014-12-03, 09:01
- I grant that some of those turnovers were fluky - HumanRobot, 2014-12-03, 08:53
- I think our turnover problem was systemic. -
Bill,
2014-12-03, 08:55
- Yes and no -
Greg,
2014-12-03, 08:51
- I think we have an offensive problem. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 08:30
- It's the elephant in the room -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:39
- It should not be. - Kevin, 2014-12-03, 08:46
- It's the elephant in the room -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:39
- Can one contribute to another? -
HumanRobot,
2014-12-03, 08:38
- We averaged 33 ppg. ASU (#19) averaged 37. -
Dylan,
2014-12-03, 08:29
- I think it means something when you consider what we needed. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 08:17
- 17th in S&P offense -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 07:51
- I do think it's fair to say that the offense was better -
Bill,
2014-12-03, 07:50
- It's better but not good enough. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 06:37
- we are actually much improved from last year -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 05:39
- True, though we had nowhere to go but up. - Kevin, 2014-12-03, 05:56
- Gravity game -
Eric M,
2014-12-03, 06:17
- What did you expect this year? - Spesh, 2014-12-02, 19:08
- It changes from year to year... -
BPH,
2014-12-02, 19:03
- It changes from year to year, which is precisely the point -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:06
- Consistency - Dylan, 2014-12-02, 19:51
- Right or wrong, his offense revolves around the QB -
BPH,
2014-12-02, 19:10
- Offenses will always look different - Spesh, 2014-12-02, 19:19
- Then we should give him an incomplete, in Year 5. -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:13
- You can give him whatever you want - BPH, 2014-12-02, 19:17
- It changes from year to year, which is precisely the point -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:06
- I think compentence is a much bigger issue than consistency. -
Kevin,
2014-12-03, 03:26
- Do you know what our offense is going to be like next year? -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 18:59
- Did we really get "exceptional" QB play in 2012? -
Spesh,
2014-12-02, 18:54
- Was that an excellent offense? -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 18:54
- Also a different guy calling the plays - Rob (Rakes of Mallow), 2014-12-03, 04:44
- You wrote -
Spesh,
2014-12-02, 19:14
- I don't think that's a fair criticism of Bill's point -
Ken Fowler,
2014-12-02, 19:28
- The point is -
Spesh,
2014-12-02, 19:43
- That says to me that there is no scheme -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:48
- of course there's a "scheme" - Jay, 2014-12-03, 05:44
- What is FSU's scheme? - BPH, 2014-12-02, 19:51
- How do you define scheme? - Spesh, 2014-12-02, 19:50
- That says to me that there is no scheme -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 19:48
- The point is -
Spesh,
2014-12-02, 19:43
- I don't think that's a fair criticism of Bill's point -
Ken Fowler,
2014-12-02, 19:28
- Was that an excellent offense? -
Bill,
2014-12-02, 18:54
- My thoughts -
CK08,
2014-12-02, 17:23
- makes sense to split S&C from skill development - Jay, 2014-12-02, 17:30
- Just numbers, no comments save for one hedge. -
Savage,
2014-12-02, 17:09
- are there any other aspects to add? -
Jay,
2014-12-02, 17:17
- Agree -- -
Savage,
2014-12-02, 17:52
- added Admin Support / Will to Win - Jay, 2014-12-02, 18:00
- Agree -- -
Savage,
2014-12-02, 17:52
- are there any other aspects to add? -
Jay,
2014-12-02, 17:17
- fun thread to read; thanks for the effort -
Jay,
2014-12-03, 12:02