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Yes, it was

by BPH, San Diego, Monday, November 24, 2014, 08:39 (3431 days ago) @ HumanRobot

But "2014 full" is a relative term, as you hint. We all knew going into the season that the defense was going to be the weaker unit, possibly by a substantial margin.

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Some 'big picture' questions w/r/t Kelly - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 06:47
- I think the better question might be what BPH asked about - Jay, 2014-11-24, 07:41
  - I think the only accurate gauge of that - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:00
    - the grapevine is about as accurate as you'll get - Jay, 2014-11-24, 08:08
      - There's a good chance this went right over my head - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:11
        
        I think he means the general sentiment among ND fans - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 08:23
        
        With fan ultimatums, I have begun to wonder... - Greg, 2014-11-24, 08:27
        
        Fan ultimatums are dumb and should be ignored - Jack, 2014-11-24, 09:00
        
        I don't think the point is whether fans can "influence" .... - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 09:25
        
        I think a 9-3 average with an intermittent title run - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2014-11-24, 13:11
        
        It is for most schools short of juggernaut periods - Jack, 2014-11-24, 15:03
        
        It sounds mediocre, but then you figure - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2014-11-24, 15:18
        
        But almost every team every year has a NW-like loss - Greg, 2014-11-24, 13:20
        
        I don't know that I agree - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 13:32
        
        Holtz was toast from '94 on. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 13:30
        
        I'm pretty unhappy with Saturday - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 13:35
        
        What was so bad about the Louisville loss? It was - BillyGoat, 2014-11-24, 13:34
        
        That it came after 2 straight losses - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 13:45
        
        The worst thing about the Louisville loss - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 13:39
        
        9-4 in perpetuity is hardly the idea. But I will again - Jack, 2014-11-24, 10:01
        
        How long could ND tolerate a Richt-like era? - LaFortune Teller, 2014-11-24, 09:50
        
        the funny thing is - Jay, 2014-11-24, 10:38
        
        That ND fans think Richt could do better at ND - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2014-11-24, 11:27
        
        How long should we? - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 10:34
        
        I don't think ND could - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 10:03
        
        My point was really that Devine's second best team was - Jack, 2014-11-24, 10:13
        
        ultimatums are dumb - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:35
        
        You can't take the ultimatums literally - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 08:35
        
        Metaphorically speaking, yes. - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:32
        
        Maybe Kelly doesn't have to move on. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:43
        
        Bummer. I thought it was going to be a real shiv - Jay, 2014-11-24, 08:44
        
        It's too cold in South Bend in December for me - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:46
        
        Concur though my floor may be make the play-off. - Grantland, 2014-11-24, 08:43
        
        That's a little to "line in the sand" for me. - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:49
        
        Concur. - Slainte Joe, 2014-11-24, 08:41
        
        If Bill shivs Kelly, he should get to be the new coach. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 08:30
        
        Think it's only manslaughter unless the coach's wp is >.750 - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:35
        
        Assuming there are 4 spots. - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 08:34
        
        My own "ultimatum" would simply be that - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:30
        
        I agree with this. - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 08:41
        
        Seconded. - oviedoirish, 2014-11-24, 10:06
        
        We tend to have the memory of goldfish with this stuff. - FunkDoctorSpock, 2014-11-24, 09:28
        
        We do. - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 09:34
        
        Absolutely. We are definitely at a turning point. - FunkDoctorSpock, 2014-11-24, 09:55
- Some explanations, some excuses, some remaining issues. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 07:34
  - Our situational performance is really deteriorating - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:18
    - Mental fatigue, especially in inexperienced players? - Jason93, 2014-11-24, 08:27
      - I think that's part of it, but we're also acquiring a real - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:33
        
        I have to say - Jay, 2014-11-24, 08:42
        
        Eh - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:54
        
        where's the Oakley stuff? - Jay, 2014-11-24, 09:02
        
        Didn't want to shoehorn it in there - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 09:17
        
        OK, I'll bite - Jack, 2014-11-24, 10:52
        
        It's a long story - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 11:53
        
        Man, why can't I ever have weekends like that? - Jack, 2014-11-24, 12:31
        
        That's...amazing. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:38
        
        So he downed a near fifth of vodka, then did Make a Wish? - irishvol, 2014-11-24, 09:34
        
        Yes - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 09:44
        
        It was probably assumed. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 09:47
        
        This is great. - Joe, 2014-11-24, 09:28
        
        hilarious - Jay, 2014-11-24, 09:26
        
        it's all good - Jay, 2014-11-24, 09:00
        
        one slight disagreement - Spesh, 2014-11-24, 09:11
        
        This is a good point. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:46
        
        I expect a Red Wedding - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 09:51
        
        that would really be shaking the etch-a-sketch - Jay, 2014-11-24, 10:20
        
        My thoughts on assistants... - BillyGoat, 2014-11-24, 10:46
  - It's difficult to put more of a load on Folston. - Bill, 2014-11-24, 07:48
    - Disagree on that last point. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 07:57
      - Bryant's disappearance about matches exactly w/ Folston's - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:03
  - were Collinsworth and Tranquil that bad this week? - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:38
    - I think so. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 07:40
  - is Koyack a nonfactor because he is being asked - Spesh, 2014-11-24, 07:37
  - Shumate's absence is the most readily explainable imo - Jay, 2014-11-24, 07:36
    - For how long? - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 07:43
      - Not directed at you exactly - PBurns, 2014-11-24, 10:00
        
        Well done! You've created a strawman... - ndroman21, 2014-11-24, 11:29
        
        Eh, just something I thought was interesting - PBurns, 2014-11-24, 11:42
        
        You can bench pretty much anybody. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 11:15
        
        I would never advocate benching Golson - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 10:35
- I know what I'm about to post probably sounds stupid - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:23
  - That full deck wasn't a full deck - BPH, 2014-11-24, 08:15
    - it was 2014 full for the UNC and FSU games, right? - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:19
      - Yes, it was - BPH, 2014-11-24, 08:39
  - I don't think we're in that kind of danger-zone - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 07:52
    - I think that I'd rather see 3-9 next year than 8-5. - Glass, 2014-11-24, 09:08
- There certainly seems to be a strain in the Kelly/Golson - Bill, 2014-11-24, 07:03
  - I'm just not sure this is going to get better - ndphilo, 2014-11-24, 07:16
    - Counter-point - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 07:49
      - The team might need him to sit - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 07:55
        
        I don't really agree - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 08:00
        
        with you. - Jay, 2014-11-24, 08:03
        
        Benching a guy doesn't have to be all or nothing. - ndroman21, 2014-11-24, 08:13
        
        It could clear his head, orrrr do the exact opposite. - PAK, 2014-11-24, 08:27
        
        it also might not work, might not matter, or worse - Jay, 2014-11-24, 08:23
        
        The risks are definitely there - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:27
        
        More than 34.7 ppg (33 ppg over the last 3 games)? - PAK, 2014-11-24, 08:30
        
        More than 6 points in a first half, yeah. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:01
        
        Need more - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:38
        
        I think as importantly, the offense... - ndroman21, 2014-11-24, 08:45
      - Good point - ndphilo, 2014-11-24, 07:55
        
        I blame NBC - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 08:06
    - He should have been sat down after the fumble. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 07:41
      - I wouldn't be sure about that at all - Jack, 2014-11-24, 09:09
      - What happened the last time he sat a guy for screwing up? - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 07:58
        
        I'm not sure the two situations are even comparable. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 08:06
        
        Pitt 2012 - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 08:15
        
        But Zaire has 0 career INTs. - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 08:33
        
        My point was the headcase aspect of it. - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 08:12
        
        Golson survived getting kicked out of school for a semester. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 08:28
        
        But could the team survive it? - PAK, 2014-11-24, 08:37
        
        The team that's lost 3 games in a row? - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:00
        
        "We're now getting blown out... - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 09:31
        
        We are already not surviving it - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:41
        
        reminds me of a conversation from last year - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:39
  - How do you get that? - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 07:11
    - Sideline interactions, Golson's body language around him. - Bill, 2014-11-24, 07:12
      - Kind of seems like an insufficient sample size - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 07:16
        
        True, but a coach shouldn't have to tell the leader of his - ndphilo, 2014-11-24, 07:18
        
        It doesn't seem like it ever has. Though I don't know if it' - BillyGoat, 2014-11-24, 07:42
- You can digest the injuries on D and the turnovers on O - Jay, 2014-11-24, 06:57
  - I think it is possible that that is too simple - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 07:22
    - A few thoughts: - Jim (OFD), 2014-11-24, 07:34
      - doesn't it consistently feel - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:41
    - I can see you're trying to squint too hard - Jay, 2014-11-24, 07:30
      - It seems like it's more than Golson's turnovers - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 07:44
        
        poker and Magic: The Gathering are high variance sports - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:03
        
        we'll find out - Jay, 2014-11-24, 07:45
    - I think turnovers are a pretty pregnant question - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:26

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