There certainly seems to be a strain in the Kelly/Golson
dynamics, especially when you look at Golson's sideline behavior. It does not seem like Coach & Player are in a good place right now. Kelly is going to have to figure out a way to get to Golson and build a more positive relationship than we're seeing right now or 2015 is going to be problematic as well.
And I'm sorry, but this whole Redfield and Shumate situation just stinks of something. I can understand starting Collinsworth and Tranquill, but eliminating Redfield and Shumate from any part of our safety rotation just seems bizarre given the rest of the inexperience we've got through the rest of the defense. It made things even worse when Tranquill got injured and Eilar Hardy was the guy sent in. A guy who hasn't played a snap all season.
Complete thread:
- Some 'big picture' questions w/r/t Kelly -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 06:47
- I think the better question might be what BPH asked about -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 07:41
- I think the only accurate gauge of that -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:00
- the grapevine is about as accurate as you'll get -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:08
- There's a good chance this went right over my head -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:11
- I think he means the general sentiment among ND fans -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 08:23
- With fan ultimatums, I have begun to wonder... -
Greg,
2014-11-24, 08:27
- Fan ultimatums are dumb and should be ignored -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 09:00
- I don't think the point is whether fans can "influence" .... -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 09:25
- I think a 9-3 average with an intermittent title run -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2014-11-24, 13:11
- It is for most schools short of juggernaut periods -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 15:03
- It sounds mediocre, but then you figure - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2014-11-24, 15:18
- But almost every team every year has a NW-like loss -
Greg,
2014-11-24, 13:20
- I don't know that I agree - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 13:32
- Holtz was toast from '94 on. -
Kevin,
2014-11-24, 13:30
- I'm pretty unhappy with Saturday - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 13:35
- What was so bad about the Louisville loss? It was -
BillyGoat,
2014-11-24, 13:34
- That it came after 2 straight losses - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 13:45
- The worst thing about the Louisville loss - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 13:39
- It is for most schools short of juggernaut periods -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 15:03
- 9-4 in perpetuity is hardly the idea. But I will again - Jack, 2014-11-24, 10:01
- How long could ND tolerate a Richt-like era? -
LaFortune Teller,
2014-11-24, 09:50
- the funny thing is -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 10:38
- That ND fans think Richt could do better at ND - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2014-11-24, 11:27
- How long should we? - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 10:34
- I don't think ND could -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 10:03
- My point was really that Devine's second best team was - Jack, 2014-11-24, 10:13
- the funny thing is -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 10:38
- I think a 9-3 average with an intermittent title run -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2014-11-24, 13:11
- I don't think the point is whether fans can "influence" .... -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 09:25
- ultimatums are dumb - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:35
- You can't take the ultimatums literally - Domer99, 2014-11-24, 08:35
- Metaphorically speaking, yes. -
Bill,
2014-11-24, 08:32
- Maybe Kelly doesn't have to move on. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:43
- Bummer. I thought it was going to be a real shiv -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:44
- It's too cold in South Bend in December for me - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:46
- Concur though my floor may be make the play-off. -
Grantland,
2014-11-24, 08:43
- That's a little to "line in the sand" for me. - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:49
- Concur. - Slainte Joe, 2014-11-24, 08:41
- If Bill shivs Kelly, he should get to be the new coach. -
Kevin,
2014-11-24, 08:30
- Think it's only manslaughter unless the coach's wp is >.750 - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:35
- Assuming there are 4 spots. - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 08:34
- My own "ultimatum" would simply be that -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:30
- I agree with this. -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 08:41
- Seconded. - oviedoirish, 2014-11-24, 10:06
- We tend to have the memory of goldfish with this stuff. -
FunkDoctorSpock,
2014-11-24, 09:28
- We do. -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 09:34
- Absolutely. We are definitely at a turning point. - FunkDoctorSpock, 2014-11-24, 09:55
- We do. -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 09:34
- I agree with this. -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 08:41
- Fan ultimatums are dumb and should be ignored -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 09:00
- With fan ultimatums, I have begun to wonder... -
Greg,
2014-11-24, 08:27
- I think he means the general sentiment among ND fans -
Domer99,
2014-11-24, 08:23
- There's a good chance this went right over my head -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:11
- the grapevine is about as accurate as you'll get -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:08
- I think the only accurate gauge of that -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:00
- Some explanations, some excuses, some remaining issues. -
Kevin,
2014-11-24, 07:34
- Our situational performance is really deteriorating -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:18
- Mental fatigue, especially in inexperienced players? -
Jason93,
2014-11-24, 08:27
- I think that's part of it, but we're also acquiring a real -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:33
- I have to say -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:42
- Eh -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:54
- where's the Oakley stuff? -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 09:02
- Didn't want to shoehorn it in there -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 09:17
- OK, I'll bite -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 10:52
- It's a long story -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 11:53
- Man, why can't I ever have weekends like that? - Jack, 2014-11-24, 12:31
- It's a long story -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 11:53
- That's...amazing. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:38
- So he downed a near fifth of vodka, then did Make a Wish? -
irishvol,
2014-11-24, 09:34
- Yes -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 09:44
- It was probably assumed. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 09:47
- Yes -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 09:44
- This is great. - Joe, 2014-11-24, 09:28
- hilarious - Jay, 2014-11-24, 09:26
- OK, I'll bite -
Jack,
2014-11-24, 10:52
- Didn't want to shoehorn it in there -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 09:17
- it's all good -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 09:00
- one slight disagreement -
Spesh,
2014-11-24, 09:11
- This is a good point. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 09:46
- I expect a Red Wedding -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 09:51
- that would really be shaking the etch-a-sketch -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 10:20
- My thoughts on assistants... - BillyGoat, 2014-11-24, 10:46
- that would really be shaking the etch-a-sketch -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 10:20
- I expect a Red Wedding -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 09:51
- This is a good point. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 09:46
- one slight disagreement -
Spesh,
2014-11-24, 09:11
- where's the Oakley stuff? -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 09:02
- Eh -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:54
- I have to say -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:42
- I think that's part of it, but we're also acquiring a real -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:33
- Mental fatigue, especially in inexperienced players? -
Jason93,
2014-11-24, 08:27
- It's difficult to put more of a load on Folston. -
Bill,
2014-11-24, 07:48
- Disagree on that last point. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 07:57
- Bryant's disappearance about matches exactly w/ Folston's - Bill, 2014-11-24, 08:03
- Disagree on that last point. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 07:57
- were Collinsworth and Tranquil that bad this week? -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 07:38
- I think so. - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 07:40
- is Koyack a nonfactor because he is being asked - Spesh, 2014-11-24, 07:37
- Shumate's absence is the most readily explainable imo -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 07:36
- For how long? -
Kevin,
2014-11-24, 07:43
- Not directed at you exactly -
PBurns,
2014-11-24, 10:00
- Well done! You've created a strawman... -
ndroman21,
2014-11-24, 11:29
- Eh, just something I thought was interesting - PBurns, 2014-11-24, 11:42
- You can bench pretty much anybody. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 11:15
- I would never advocate benching Golson - Kevin, 2014-11-24, 10:35
- Well done! You've created a strawman... -
ndroman21,
2014-11-24, 11:29
- Not directed at you exactly -
PBurns,
2014-11-24, 10:00
- For how long? -
Kevin,
2014-11-24, 07:43
- Our situational performance is really deteriorating -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:18
- I know what I'm about to post probably sounds stupid -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 07:23
- That full deck wasn't a full deck -
BPH,
2014-11-24, 08:15
- it was 2014 full for the UNC and FSU games, right? -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 08:19
- Yes, it was - BPH, 2014-11-24, 08:39
- it was 2014 full for the UNC and FSU games, right? -
HumanRobot,
2014-11-24, 08:19
- I don't think we're in that kind of danger-zone -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:52
- I think that I'd rather see 3-9 next year than 8-5. - Glass, 2014-11-24, 09:08
- That full deck wasn't a full deck -
BPH,
2014-11-24, 08:15
- There certainly seems to be a strain in the Kelly/Golson -
Bill,
2014-11-24, 07:03
- I'm just not sure this is going to get better -
ndphilo,
2014-11-24, 07:16
- Counter-point -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 07:49
- The team might need him to sit -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:55
- I don't really agree -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 08:00
- with you. -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:03
- Benching a guy doesn't have to be all or nothing. -
ndroman21,
2014-11-24, 08:13
- It could clear his head, orrrr do the exact opposite. - PAK, 2014-11-24, 08:27
- it also might not work, might not matter, or worse -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:23
- The risks are definitely there -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:27
- More than 34.7 ppg (33 ppg over the last 3 games)? -
PAK,
2014-11-24, 08:30
- More than 6 points in a first half, yeah. - KGB, 2014-11-24, 09:01
- Need more -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:38
- I think as importantly, the offense... - ndroman21, 2014-11-24, 08:45
- More than 34.7 ppg (33 ppg over the last 3 games)? -
PAK,
2014-11-24, 08:30
- The risks are definitely there -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 08:27
- Benching a guy doesn't have to be all or nothing. -
ndroman21,
2014-11-24, 08:13
- with you. -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 08:03
- I don't really agree -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 08:00
- Good point -
ndphilo,
2014-11-24, 07:55
- I blame NBC - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 08:06
- The team might need him to sit -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:55
- He should have been sat down after the fumble. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 07:41
- I wouldn't be sure about that at all - Jack, 2014-11-24, 09:09
- What happened the last time he sat a guy for screwing up? -
Pat (Moco),
2014-11-24, 07:58
- I'm not sure the two situations are even comparable. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 08:06
- Pitt 2012 -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 08:15
- But Zaire has 0 career INTs. - Pat (Moco), 2014-11-24, 08:33
- My point was the headcase aspect of it. -
Pat (Moco),
2014-11-24, 08:12
- Golson survived getting kicked out of school for a semester. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 08:28
- But could the team survive it? -
PAK,
2014-11-24, 08:37
- The team that's lost 3 games in a row? -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 09:00
- "We're now getting blown out... - Eric M, 2014-11-24, 09:31
- We are already not surviving it - Mike (bart), 2014-11-24, 08:41
- reminds me of a conversation from last year - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:39
- The team that's lost 3 games in a row? -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 09:00
- But could the team survive it? -
PAK,
2014-11-24, 08:37
- Golson survived getting kicked out of school for a semester. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 08:28
- Pitt 2012 -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 08:15
- I'm not sure the two situations are even comparable. -
KGB,
2014-11-24, 08:06
- Counter-point -
Eric M,
2014-11-24, 07:49
- How do you get that? -
Pat (Moco),
2014-11-24, 07:11
- Sideline interactions, Golson's body language around him. -
Bill,
2014-11-24, 07:12
- Kind of seems like an insufficient sample size -
Pat (Moco),
2014-11-24, 07:16
- True, but a coach shouldn't have to tell the leader of his -
ndphilo,
2014-11-24, 07:18
- It doesn't seem like it ever has. Though I don't know if it' - BillyGoat, 2014-11-24, 07:42
- True, but a coach shouldn't have to tell the leader of his -
ndphilo,
2014-11-24, 07:18
- Kind of seems like an insufficient sample size -
Pat (Moco),
2014-11-24, 07:16
- Sideline interactions, Golson's body language around him. -
Bill,
2014-11-24, 07:12
- I'm just not sure this is going to get better -
ndphilo,
2014-11-24, 07:16
- You can digest the injuries on D and the turnovers on O -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 06:57
- I think it is possible that that is too simple -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:22
- A few thoughts: -
Jim (OFD),
2014-11-24, 07:34
- doesn't it consistently feel - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:41
- I can see you're trying to squint too hard -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 07:30
- It seems like it's more than Golson's turnovers -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:44
- poker and Magic: The Gathering are high variance sports - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 08:03
- we'll find out - Jay, 2014-11-24, 07:45
- It seems like it's more than Golson's turnovers -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:44
- I think turnovers are a pretty pregnant question - HumanRobot, 2014-11-24, 07:26
- A few thoughts: -
Jim (OFD),
2014-11-24, 07:34
- I think it is possible that that is too simple -
Mike (bart),
2014-11-24, 07:22
- I think the better question might be what BPH asked about -
Jay,
2014-11-24, 07:41