good way to frame the question
by Jay 
, San Diego, Monday, September 15, 2014, 12:02 (3510 days ago) @ HumanRobot
What's Kelly's VORP? At this stage it's probably quite high.
There are other coaches I like, but I think he has a good handle on ND, such that replacing him would cause more transition pain than would be worth it. And I can't identify anybody out there who would be a guaranteed improvement over him in all aspects of running ND (mission, recruiting, coaching, etc). In short, let's keep him.
Complete thread:
- Big Picture thread -
Jay,
2014-09-15, 11:26
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- Building a program is all about the process, the plan -
Busco21,
2014-09-15, 21:04
- Success in almost ANYTHING is process-based. - PAK, 2014-09-16, 05:51
- Who do you have this week? -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 21:33
- Three games in a row - Busco21, 2014-09-16, 09:40
- I've never been this satisfied as an ND fan. - Silk, 2014-09-15, 18:59
- I am as enthusiastic as I've ever been about ND football. - PAK, 2014-09-15, 18:54
- Conscious Competence -
Jason93,
2014-09-15, 14:35
- what were the Willingham years? Unconscious incompetence?
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Jay,
2014-09-15, 15:51
- You jest, but that really is one of the levels of learning.. - PAK, 2014-09-15, 18:04
- Subconscious Incontinence -
Dylan,
2014-09-15, 17:00
- /thread -
mkmcfrlnd,
2014-09-15, 20:19
- this is really good -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 17:23
- /thread
- That's really unfair, Jay - Greg, 2014-09-15, 15:55
- I agree with your overall point, but please don't compare -
BillyGoat,
2014-09-15, 14:41
- I know - I'm playing with fire. -
Jason93,
2014-09-15, 14:43
- Losing is a disease. As contagious as the bubonic plague. -
BillyGoat,
2014-09-15, 14:55
- Losing is a disease. As contagious as the bubonic plague.
- I know - I'm playing with fire.
- what were the Willingham years? Unconscious incompetence?
- I'm ready to start caring about Notre Dame football again - OGerry, 2014-09-15, 13:48
- Big picture: I now expect to win each weekend -
Greg,
2014-09-15, 13:13
- Ain't it the truth - Jack, 2014-09-15, 14:22
- I'm as excited as I've been since Davie started. - ndroman21, 2014-09-15, 13:11
- I know the Right Kinda Guy stuff got mocked -
omahadomer,
2014-09-15, 13:00
- Who are Kelly's biggest duds as recruits? -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 13:27
- We're not counting the first class, right? -
JRT,
2014-09-15, 14:45
- We should count the kids recruited by Kelly: - BillyGoat, 2014-09-15, 14:54
- That you even have Koyack on that list -
Jack,
2014-09-15, 14:09
- I was mainly trying to go relative to hype -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 14:11
- True. And since you brought up Kiel - Jack, 2014-09-15, 14:14
- I was mainly trying to go relative to hype -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 14:11
- We're not counting the first class, right? -
JRT,
2014-09-15, 14:45
- great post as always; on Tulsa -
JD in Portland,
2014-09-15, 13:10
- The Tulsa game I had an empty feeling -- -
omahadomer,
2014-09-15, 13:32
- Kelly's forgotten masterpiece -
oaknd1,
2014-09-15, 16:28
- I remember calling Jay the week of that game - Mike (bart), 2014-09-15, 16:44
- The blocked punt - CK08, 2014-09-15, 16:38
- Amen. -
Crehart,
2014-09-15, 16:29
- Kelly's forgotten masterpiece -
oaknd1,
2014-09-15, 16:28
- I wonder what odds you would have gotten... - FunkDoctorSpock, 2014-09-15, 13:17
- The Tulsa game I had an empty feeling -- -
omahadomer,
2014-09-15, 13:32
- Regarding Michigan State as well - Jack, 2014-09-15, 13:10
- Who are Kelly's biggest duds as recruits? -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 13:27
- I live in Hokie country -
HCE,
2014-09-15, 12:59
- We need a sleeper cell program - HullieAndMikes, 2014-09-15, 13:16
- Please never move to South Bend -
PootND,
2014-09-15, 13:09
- Have you ever considered moving to Tuscaloosa? -
irishvol,
2014-09-15, 13:05
- I'm really excited about the short and medium term future -
CK08,
2014-09-15, 12:43
- God, I hope it's not Chuck Martin -
scriptcomesfirst,
2014-09-15, 13:49
- Watching Miami this weekend, I sorta agree. - PAK, 2014-09-15, 18:15
- God, I hope it's not Chuck Martin -
scriptcomesfirst,
2014-09-15, 13:49
- One game at a time -
Mark,
2014-09-15, 12:33
- On September/November - Jeff (BGS), 2014-09-15, 13:07
- Given that we're +78 after 3 games, this might be your year -
Brendan,
2014-09-15, 12:57
- What would Kelly's tenure look like -
Jim (fisherj08),
2014-09-15, 12:33
- I have no doubt everyone on this board is a great ND guy - Jack, 2014-09-15, 13:00
- "Next man in"... more than just a pretty phrase. -
Bill,
2014-09-15, 12:32
- yes, it's remarkable - JD in Portland, 2014-09-15, 13:17
- I think we've been a Top Ten level program since... - FunkDoctorSpock, 2014-09-15, 12:30
- mine, overall very good - JD in Portland, 2014-09-15, 12:16
- Definitely some holes on this team, but things look good. - Kevin, 2014-09-15, 12:10
- Kelly's building something here -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2014-09-15, 12:06
- re: "Top 5" recruiting classes - Mo, 2014-09-15, 13:05
- Still not convinced Kelly can win the big game consistently -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 12:02
- "Win the big game consistently" -
Jeff (BGS),
2014-09-15, 18:34
- Saban's "big game" record -
Brendan,
2014-09-16, 10:30
- That last category seems the most illuminating. -
professor,
2014-09-16, 10:34
- Expanding on it... - Brendan, 2014-09-16, 12:31
- That last category seems the most illuminating. -
professor,
2014-09-16, 10:34
- Saban's "big game" record -
Brendan,
2014-09-16, 10:30
- Strong? Seriously? -
HullieAndMikes,
2014-09-15, 12:43
- Please don't take this the wrong way -
CW (Rakes),
2014-09-15, 12:41
- No offense taken at all. In short: it was Year 4 -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 12:49
- Not to nit-pick too much - Mo, 2014-09-15, 13:11
- Charlie also licked his finger and showed off an NFL ring - Greg, 2014-09-15, 13:04
- Has anyone compared records to others? -
Joe,
2014-09-15, 12:57
- He's close to .500 -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 13:49
- Um, we did get to a national championship -
KelleyCook,
2014-09-15, 14:14
- Um, we did get to a national championship
- He's close to .500 -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 13:49
- No offense taken at all. In short: it was Year 4 -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 12:49
- I'm not sure there is such evidence -
ndphilo,
2014-09-15, 12:20
- Beating FSU would work. So would giving Alabama a game. -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 12:32
- So beat the #1 team in the country consistently? -
Dylan,
2014-09-16, 08:46
- ND did beat the #1 team last year -
Jeff (BGS),
2014-09-16, 08:54
- Oh, I agree 100% - Dylan, 2014-09-16, 09:17
- ND did beat the #1 team last year -
Jeff (BGS),
2014-09-16, 08:54
- Exactly - beating such teams consistently - ndphilo, 2014-09-15, 12:38
- Stanford's been a legit program since 2010 -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2014-09-15, 12:35
- UM 2011 damn near killed me - beattherush, 2014-09-15, 12:51
- So beat the #1 team in the country consistently? -
Dylan,
2014-09-16, 08:46
- Beating FSU would work. So would giving Alabama a game. -
beattherush,
2014-09-15, 12:32
- tough case to make for replacement this offseason -
Jay,
2014-09-15, 12:13
- You can't sell that. -
KGB,
2014-09-15, 12:25
- Exactly. It's far worse than Nebraska firing Frank Solich - Jack, 2014-09-15, 12:31
- I agree it would have been a tough sell. - beattherush, 2014-09-15, 12:16
- You can't sell that. -
KGB,
2014-09-15, 12:25
- "Win the big game consistently" -
Jeff (BGS),
2014-09-15, 18:34
- Picture-in-Picture: Recruiting - Mike (bart), 2014-09-15, 11:57
- if you told me -
HumanRobot,
2014-09-15, 11:56
- good way to frame the question -
Jay,
2014-09-15, 12:02
- The job is a packed minefield. - Kevin, 2014-09-15, 12:19
- agreed -
HumanRobot,
2014-09-15, 12:12
- How is Meyer doing without his star quarterback? - Jack, 2014-09-15, 12:38
- Maybe bias, but I think Saban would flop at ND -
JN,
2014-09-15, 12:27
- I don't think he would flop here. -
KGB,
2014-09-15, 12:54
- even Oil money couldn't get him to budge -
Jay,
2014-09-15, 13:06
- even Oil money couldn't get him to budge
- I don't think he would flop here. -
KGB,
2014-09-15, 12:54
- FWIW, I wouldn't take Saban or Meyer. - oviedoirish, 2014-09-15, 12:20
- Excellent post. And I'd argue that Swarbrick's VORP -
BillyGoat,
2014-09-15, 12:06
- Losing Kelly to the NFL -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2014-09-15, 12:08
- I think Swarbrick is definitely - crazychester, 2014-09-15, 12:19
- I'm hopeful Jack will be advising the process. -
Ken Fowler,
2014-09-15, 12:14
- I know he keeps a call-up list - Jay, 2014-09-15, 12:20
- Losing Kelly to the NFL -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2014-09-15, 12:08
- good way to frame the question -
Jay,
2014-09-15, 12:02
- Good Great Games Since 1993 -
Mike (bart),
2014-09-15, 11:54
- There were more good late era Holtz good games - Flann, 2014-09-15, 12:19
- 2006 MSU. - Ken Fowler, 2014-09-15, 12:00
- two 'where we've been' charts -
LaFortune Teller,
2014-09-15, 11:49
- All I can say regarding that second chart is - Jack, 2014-09-15, 12:28
- This is just a gut level response -
HullieAndMikes,
2014-09-15, 11:48
- You know, I have had a couple of friends, - Grantland, 2014-09-15, 12:33
- Yes. And I'll throw in TFLs by design and for more - BillyGoat, 2014-09-15, 11:50
- We're in great shape -
CW (Rakes),
2014-09-15, 11:46
- With a win over at team that finished in the Top 5 -
FunkDoctorSpock,
2014-09-15, 12:23
- I agree, and I'll add -
oviedoirish,
2014-09-15, 12:13
- in an alternate universe -
HumanRobot,
2014-09-15, 12:17
- Would have Winston played at ND this year given his - Grantland, 2014-09-15, 14:25
- Yes! - oviedoirish, 2014-09-15, 12:23
- in an alternate universe -
HumanRobot,
2014-09-15, 12:17
- With a win over at team that finished in the Top 5
- I'll agree with whatever omahadomer says -
Jack,
2014-09-15, 11:42
- Agree w/all. And "our annual letdown against Purdue" is... - Crehart, 2014-09-15, 13:01
- Here for me -
DCT,
2014-09-15, 11:38
- I felt worse about the Michigan loss that year. -
Pat (Moco),
2014-09-15, 11:56
- I felt worse about the Michigan loss that year.
- Building a program is all about the process, the plan -
Busco21,
2014-09-15, 21:04