I think those are independent issues

by Mike (bart), Tuesday, April 22, 2014, 10:52 (3649 days ago) @ CK08

Risks over which a user can hypothetically manifest some measure of control ("I'm a great driver!" "I need to/will start eating better" etc. are almost always more acceptable to people than ones over which it seems like a user cannot manifest control (fear of the "Urban Knockout Game," fear of sharks, plane crashes etc.). I think there are definitely a number of factors contributing to a skyrocketing of perceived risk in the latter category, despite empirical evidence to the contrary. In the former, it's something like you're describing -- we accept high levels of empirically negative outcomes because in every micro situation we ascertain an ability to avoid or mitigate danger.

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Jeff (BGS) and others - Chad and Trixie Have Kids! - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 06:48
- Does that mean no more dollar burger Wednesdays at McGees? - irishted, 2014-04-22, 15:43
- Enough about the rich people in Chicago. - KGB, 2014-04-22, 11:18
  - Can't be that bad, can it? - Kevin, 2014-04-22, 11:39
  - How do you get a handle - crazychester, 2014-04-22, 11:38
  - Oops, made a post above - Busco21, 2014-04-22, 11:30
  - Really good, comprehensive (short!) read on that - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 11:23
    - That's about what one might expect. - KGB, 2014-04-22, 11:58
      - Rahmsterdam - Buck Mulligan, 2014-04-22, 13:19
- while we're talking child-rearing - Pat, 2014-04-22, 08:38
  - Kids should learn 3 skills by ages 7-9. - Ken Fowler, 2014-04-22, 11:23
  - That was pretty much my childhood. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2014-04-22, 08:55
    - This debate gets sidetracked a lot, I think - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 09:11
      - times have changed, too - Jay, 2014-04-22, 09:44
        
        Yet violent crime is way, way down from - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:07
        
        There's an urban planning element to this - CK08, 2014-04-22, 10:28
        
        I think those are independent issues - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:52
        
        I don't think hitchhiking is more dangerous than it was - crazychester, 2014-04-22, 10:09
        
        Its an interesting chicken-egg question - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2014-04-22, 10:14
        
        I've done a fair amount of hitchhiking in my day - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:38
        
        Hitchhiking: now called Lyft or UberX. - Tim, 2014-04-22, 12:41
    - One little bit of input - Greg, 2014-04-22, 09:03
  - I haven't read that one yet - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 08:52
    - She's fantastic when the topic isn't sex or gender. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 11:12
    - OT: can I get a lightning round of - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 08:56
      - just read the New Yorker every week - Jay, 2014-04-22, 10:52
      - I'll give it a shot. - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 09:13
        
        Ok, here goes. - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 09:37
        
        The Atlantic has really gone downhill. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 11:15
        
        They never recovered after Michael Kelly died - crazychester, 2014-04-22, 11:34
        
        Speaking of insufferable and Glenn Greenwald - Jim (fisherj08), 2014-04-22, 11:13
        
        I didn't realize HamNo had a mode other than insufferable. - Mike (Embrey), 2014-04-22, 10:47
        
        He has a slighly more enjoyable hate spew than others - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 10:58
        
        Magary (not his interview work with GQ) >>>> Nolan - MHB (Rakes of Mallow), 2014-04-22, 11:15
        
        Barton Gellman - Dylan, 2014-04-22, 10:27
        
        One of the obvious names I forgot - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 10:28
        
        Interesting - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:05
        
        Hayes is there on the strength of his book - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 10:26
        
        Do not attempt to figure out Jezebel - MHB (Rakes of Mallow), 2014-04-22, 10:09
        
        Just wait until I start linking to Thought Catalog - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:53
        
        An ND grad writes for them - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 10:27
  - I laugh when I think back to what my parents allowed - Jay, 2014-04-22, 08:48
    - How did that type of parenting produce - Kevin, 2014-04-22, 10:17
      - we know more now? - Jay, 2014-04-22, 12:04
        
        And with knowledge comes culpability. - Tim, 2014-04-22, 12:40
    - My parents - crazychester, 2014-04-22, 09:54
    - Feral childrearing. - KGB, 2014-04-22, 09:28
    - From first grade on, my parents had a rule - Dylan, 2014-04-22, 09:08
    - Similar - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 08:53
      - I agree it's largely overwrought - Pat, 2014-04-22, 10:40
        
        The "playdate" is pernicious. - Dylan, 2014-04-22, 10:48
        
        I'd say around 1st grade or so - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 10:55
        
        The kid asked? How old? - Mike (Embrey), 2014-04-22, 10:46
        
        he was 6. my daughters are 3 - Pat, 2014-04-22, 10:54
        
        I've got one of those too. Take comfort in the fact - BillyGoat, 2014-04-22, 11:29
- semi-related - HumanRobot, 2014-04-22, 07:37
- a day care called "Creme de la Creme" - Jay, 2014-04-22, 07:19
  - The American petit bourgeois continue to founder... - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 07:55
    - Aren't we the bad guys, here? - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 08:04
      - Sort of - Greg, 2014-04-22, 08:57
      - I would hope most of us have the sense - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 08:17
      - Dammit, Kevin - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 08:15
        
        WTF? - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 08:16
        
        Fine. - Kevin, 2014-04-22, 08:21
        
        The 2nd draft is even better - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 08:48
        
        This post is like the bat signal for me - CK08, 2014-04-22, 10:23
        
        couple of things - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 11:05
        
        Your general point makes a lot of sense - CK08, 2014-04-22, 11:45
        
        Hah, yes, I read that post and thought "CK08 catnip!" - PAK, 2014-04-22, 10:47
        
        It's the Great Moving Region - CK08, 2014-04-22, 10:54
        
        And..... - Domer99, 2014-04-22, 08:44
      - Sure. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 08:11
        
        Serious question - Domer99, 2014-04-22, 08:47
        
        It's essentially racist code. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 08:53
        
        Disenfranchisement via "voter fraud" is my hot button. - PAK, 2014-04-22, 10:56
        
        They've successfully confused terms to fit the agenda - Dylan, 2014-04-22, 11:21
        
        No kidding. - KGB, 2014-04-22, 12:47
        
        Huge problem in NC. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 11:10
        
        And as you know, they're doing a good job of it. - hlewis, 2014-04-22, 12:19
        
        That's a country-wide phenominon. - PAK, 2014-04-22, 12:30
        
        I don't disagree about gerrymandering - CK08, 2014-04-22, 14:09
        
        the 90-10 thing is the goal of gerrymandering - Samari, 2014-04-22, 14:26
        
        Very true. But... - Greg, 2014-04-22, 14:39
        
        That guy is a full-on creationist -- the kind that made Bill - hlewis, 2014-04-22, 10:01
        
        I want to kick him in the balls every time I see that ad. - Slainte Joe, 2014-04-22, 10:50
  - I guffawed the first time I drove past it. - Tim, 2014-04-22, 07:38
  - C'mon. - Buck Mulligan, 2014-04-22, 07:29
    - "Raising assholes for assholes since 2014" - Jay, 2014-04-22, 07:34
      - One of BOLD Academy's very top feeder programs - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 07:37
    - Prestige Day Care™ - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 07:31
      - Crucial™ Preschool - Samari, 2014-04-22, 07:56
      - Tricycles 'n' Hos? - BillyGoat, 2014-04-22, 07:32
- 12-hour preschool? - CK08, 2014-04-22, 07:06
  - that's what the website says - Pat, 2014-04-22, 07:47
    - Ok, that makes more sense - CK08, 2014-04-22, 08:06
  - Probably includes drop-off and pick-up time - Mike (bart), 2014-04-22, 07:11
  - Who's the day care and who's the parent at that point? - PAK, 2014-04-22, 07:09
    - Four hours a day is plenty of time - Pat, 2014-04-22, 07:34
    - Cool - we're going to be judgy today! - irishvol, 2014-04-22, 07:14
      - Yeah, sorry, that was unncessarily harsh. - PAK, 2014-04-22, 07:34
    - I figure that they're open something like 7 to 7 - CK08, 2014-04-22, 07:14
    - Step easily here. - HullieAndMikes, 2014-04-22, 07:13
- Sounds like Trixie has upgraded from her Jetta. - Domer99, 2014-04-22, 06:57

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I think those are independent issues