At one point we were independent in hoops
Then the Big East formed and other independents joined other conferences. As the 1980s wore on, our ability to get good TV coverage waned and the Big East's power grew. Our schedule became a joke (with one or two good games). Our recruiting became a joke, because why go to play at ND when there were suddenly better options with good TV coverage right on the eastern seaboard in ND's old recruiting territory?
Over time, our program slipped from being a major player (in a 12-year span from 1976-1987, the team made 6 Sweet 16 appearances and 3 other trips to the tournament) to middling success (3 tournament trips in 1988-1990) to utter irrelevance (in an 11-year span from 1990-2000 the team made no trips to the tournament). To put it another way, in the 16 years between Digger's Sweet 16 run in 1987 and Brey's run in 2003, we made the tournament 5 times -- 3 in a row in '88-90 and 2 in a row in '01 and '02 -- and all 5 were really tied to the Sweet 16 runs. The remainder of that 16 years was a hoops wasteland.
If the choice for football is wasteland or joining a conference, I say join -- and join on our terms and in a way that is representative of our historic place at the football table. Taking a lead position in creating a superconference would echo Rockne's historic leadership of college football in the early part of the last century and would lock ND in as a leader for the future. Being forced into the Big 11, conversely, is the worst of all possible worlds. It marginalizes us as just one bit player in a geographic concern and it puts us in a position where our voice would be minimized.
If we must go, we must. Rockne wanted to, after all. But we must go on our terms.
Complete thread:
- Is Swarbrick greasing the skids for conference affliation? -
Pat,
2010-03-09, 13:28
- I have no problem with anything he said I'm happy he said it -
MadisonDomer,
2010-03-09, 15:26
- how is he held accountable? -
Pat,
2010-03-09, 15:38
- There are two ways to look at his words -
BPH,
2010-03-09, 15:53
- There's a 3rd option -
Samari,
2010-03-09, 16:04
- When is our NBC contract up for renewal? -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-03-09, 19:16
- Runs through 2015
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Sherman Oaks,
2010-03-09, 19:33
- Runs through 2015
- When is our NBC contract up for renewal? -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-03-09, 19:16
- What he said
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MadisonDomer,
2010-03-09, 15:56
- There's a 3rd option -
Samari,
2010-03-09, 16:04
- Like I said, (to me) - MadisonDomer, 2010-03-09, 15:49
- There are two ways to look at his words -
BPH,
2010-03-09, 15:53
- I disagree - Jeff (BGS), 2010-03-09, 15:38
- how is he held accountable? -
Pat,
2010-03-09, 15:38
- Who/what forced Penn State's hand? ND? - LaFortune Teller, 2010-03-09, 15:21
- It's a weaselly thing to say. -
San Pedro,
2010-03-09, 15:09
- What exactly would you have him say? -
KGB,
2010-03-10, 07:54
- This aggression will not stand, man. - San Pedro, 2010-03-10, 09:13
- Excellent point
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Sherman Oaks,
2010-03-09, 19:32
- What exactly would you have him say? -
KGB,
2010-03-10, 07:54
- I just wonder -
APND02,
2010-03-09, 14:54
- This is why we need good leaders -
Greg,
2010-03-09, 15:02
- Then we're screwed, because we don't
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El Kabong,
2010-03-09, 15:25
- Explain
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Greg,
2010-03-09, 16:15
- For one thing, Jack is not talking like a leader -
Sherman Oaks,
2010-03-09, 19:37
- He's not talking like you want him to talk -
Greg,
2010-03-10, 13:13
- Of course there are outside influences - Sherman Oaks, 2010-03-10, 18:32
- He's not talking like you want him to talk -
Greg,
2010-03-10, 13:13
- For one thing, Jack is not talking like a leader -
Sherman Oaks,
2010-03-09, 19:37
- Explain
- I strongly agree with you - APND02, 2010-03-09, 15:04
- Then we're screwed, because we don't
- it might be down to Brian Kelly -
Pat,
2010-03-09, 14:59
- The fact that the fate of Irish football may no longer - APND02, 2010-03-09, 15:02
- This is why we need good leaders -
Greg,
2010-03-09, 15:02
- As the citizens of Rock Ridge so deftly put it... -
El Kabong,
2010-03-09, 14:50
- I thought RH stopped caring when Kelly was hired
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CW (Rakes),
2010-03-09, 19:58
- --
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Jim (fisherj08),
2010-03-09, 19:40
- Rock Ridge. Not even close to the same thing
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El Kabong,
2010-03-09, 21:30
- Rock Ridge. Not even close to the same thing
- I thought they wouldn't take the Irish.
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irishoutsider,
2010-03-09, 15:19
- I thought RH stopped caring when Kelly was hired
- Bad omen for the NBC contract - irishoutsider, 2010-03-09, 14:42
- At one point we were independent in hoops -
Greg,
2010-03-09, 14:27
- Apples and oranges -
El Kabong,
2010-03-09, 14:51
- Yeah, they could have "Made something happen" -
Greg,
2010-03-09, 14:57
- It's not inevitable - Sherman Oaks, 2010-03-09, 19:31
- Yep.
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Jim (fisherj08),
2010-03-09, 16:15
- Yeah, they could have "Made something happen" -
Greg,
2010-03-09, 14:57
- Apples and oranges -
El Kabong,
2010-03-09, 14:51
- Yes, and it's indefensibly stupid and misguided - Sherman Oaks, 2010-03-09, 14:20
- and I suppose what really bugs me -
Pat,
2010-03-09, 14:02
- Great point
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MadisonDomer,
2010-03-09, 15:27
- I think cash money might be driving the bus -
Jay,
2010-03-09, 15:23
- Anybody have a link re: the actual financial implications? - LaFortune Teller, 2010-03-09, 15:37
- But should it only be about money? -
APND02,
2010-03-09, 15:25
- definitely not - Jay, 2010-03-09, 19:36
- It's not in our best interests to join a conference - BPH, 2010-03-09, 14:51
- Completely agree
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APND02,
2010-03-09, 14:45
- Excellent point. -
Pete,
2010-03-09, 14:11
- No college administrator is going to do that. - JRT, 2010-03-09, 15:01
- Great point
- "Bob Dylan once wrote... - MHB (Rakes of Mallow), 2010-03-09, 14:02
- cue Bill Pullman
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Jay,
2010-03-09, 14:00
- His wording does suggest an element of helplessness. -
Pete,
2010-03-09, 13:44
- Agreed. - KGB, 2010-03-09, 14:01
- I really am running out of hope. - Chris, 2010-03-09, 13:35
- I have no problem with anything he said I'm happy he said it -
MadisonDomer,
2010-03-09, 15:26