All that dovetailed with the issues of coaching mentors...

by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 13:59 (4200 days ago) @ Jay

and major program experience. Kelly had neither in his background. Seemingly every other peer coach in the nation, including the ones you mentioned, did. So for some, it mattered not a whit what Kelly had accomplished at GVSU, CMU or Cincy. Why? Because that track record wouldn't translate to the highest level.

I suppose it makes some sense, but I never put any stock in it. Of course, I'm one of the original Kellylovers.

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A few thoughts from under the brown paper bag. - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 11:01
- Reckoning? Now?! - ndbk32, 2012-10-18, 10:10
- Man, hope we don't go 6-6. - domer.mq, 2012-10-17, 16:21
  - This all annoys me to no end. - domer.mq, 2012-10-17, 17:24
    - Agree. In the span of a few games..... - bk, 2012-10-18, 04:43
      - Let me be clear, I have a binder of thoughts about this - Greg, 2012-10-18, 10:18
      - the intricate choreography of message forums - HumanRobot, 2012-10-18, 05:46
    - You last line is the wise policy - hobbs, 2012-10-17, 18:09
- I am a fan of the reckoning crew - DCT, 2012-10-17, 16:08
  - With all due respect - JRT, 2012-10-18, 11:19
  - Well, we can at least have satisfaction in knowing - Bill, 2012-10-17, 17:21
    - Even as they race to revise history. - River, 2012-10-17, 17:44
      - I was right about Willingham and Weis - Greg, 2012-10-17, 17:52
        
        Spot on. - River, 2012-10-18, 07:57
        
        Excellent! - Bill, 2012-10-17, 17:55
    - That sounds just miserable - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 17:39
      - And for the record - Bill, 2012-10-17, 17:53
        
        Exactly - DCT, 2012-10-17, 18:37
- has his prospectus (in your eyes) changed much since August? - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 14:12
  - I think Kelly has made it already - BPH, 2012-10-17, 15:42
    - Lets say we go 4-3 the rest of the way - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-10-17, 19:45
  - I thought he needed around 9 wins to keep moving forward. - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 14:19
    - HIJACK: How many wins do you think we will get? - Pat (Moco), 2012-10-17, 14:41
    - got it - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 14:28
      - It helps to not fumble at the goal line - IrishGuard, 2012-10-17, 15:35
- any reckoning should be wholly unnecessary - Jay, 2012-10-17, 13:44
  - I think have shared this with Jay - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2012-10-17, 19:41
  - Man, that was beautiful - Jack, 2012-10-17, 16:46
  - All that dovetailed with the issues of coaching mentors... - BPH, 2012-10-17, 13:59
    - But another issue is - IrishGuard, 2012-10-17, 14:17
      - Achieving at a high level is an important data point - BPH, 2012-10-17, 15:37
      - I agree - Jay, 2012-10-17, 15:36
        
        Adding in Ego and Hubris explains a whole lot more - KelleyCook, 2012-10-18, 06:13
      - But some of the desperation was a bit of hyperbole - Domer99, 2012-10-17, 14:36
        
        The last of which, of course, Alabama completely lucked into - KelleyCook, 2012-10-18, 06:19
    - the whole thing sort of reminds me of today's XKCD - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 14:04
- how much do you think Swarbrick coached Coach? - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 13:02
  - Not as much as Orsini coached Swarbrick - hobbs, 2012-10-17, 13:14
    - Or as much as Ara coached Orsini. - Pat (Moco), 2012-10-17, 13:19
      - I actually coached Ara up on this. - domer.mq, 2012-10-17, 13:40
        
        False. - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-10-17, 13:58
- And some interesting 'on point' quotes from Kelly - Bill, 2012-10-17, 12:21
- I think korzo78 pretty much hit the mark for me - Bill, 2012-10-17, 12:17
  - My problem hasn't been that some people were wrong, - Joe I, 2012-10-17, 12:57
    - To paraphrase Barry Goldwater - hobbs, 2012-10-17, 13:58
      - That quote was the topic in my freshman... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-10-18, 06:35
- Shameless plug... - Eric M, 2012-10-17, 12:09
  - Nothing is shameless here. - Pat (Moco), 2012-10-17, 13:16
  - Thanks for the link -- good stuff - bpeters07, 2012-10-17, 13:04
  - No shame in that game. Well done. - Domer99, 2012-10-17, 12:44
- Kev, I love ya man - Domer99, 2012-10-17, 11:36
  - Very well stated. - hobbs, 2012-10-17, 13:32
  - That was my main issue - CW (Rakes), 2012-10-17, 12:23
    - Brian Kelly hasn't changed - Dylan, 2012-10-17, 16:08
      - great post - Jay, 2012-10-17, 19:17
      - So to use a different analogy - Jack, 2012-10-17, 16:50
      - That was excellent. - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-10-17, 16:40
  - Really, that was one of the points I was trying to make. - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 11:52
    - Agree with all that - Domer99, 2012-10-17, 12:01
      - That's kind of similar to my wife's stance. - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 12:06
        
        I think there's some sense in it - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 12:21
        
        We were going to be a little gun-shy anyway, right? - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-10-17, 12:15
        
        The entire Tier 1 thing was stupid from the get go. - KelleyCook, 2012-10-17, 13:11
        
        Oh, the low hanging fruit thing - Domer99, 2012-10-17, 12:55
        
        Yep, the low hanging fruit isn't always negative - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-10-17, 13:07
  - a lot of that is the times we live in - HumanRobot, 2012-10-17, 11:46
  - Can I cosign this? - Joe, 2012-10-17, 11:39
    - Me too. - KGB, 2012-10-17, 12:06
- Hey now - JN, 2012-10-17, 11:11
  - I occasionally see a few of the people we played against. - Kevin, 2012-10-17, 11:14
    - I had to move to Seattle to escape the shame - JN, 2012-10-17, 11:17

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