I like the construct...

by BPH, San Diego, Monday, August 27, 2012, 11:53 (4252 days ago) @ Savage
edited by BPH, Monday, August 27, 2012, 12:07

but I think the circumstances were a bit more complicated. Crist won the job, but just barely, and no one could have foreseen that USF first half coming. It was a compete disaster. Crist was struggling and had bad body language, and Kelly turned to Rees for a spark. If Rees had stunk up the joint, too, that would have been that, and Kelly would have gone back to Crist. But Rees didn't. Despite the turnovers, he played very well the next few weeks and started to solidify the job. There's no way to prove this, but my suspicion is, by that point, Crist had effectively checked out and was no longer fully invested emotionally.

My bigger gripe with Kelly (and others have pointed this out) is his complete ignoring of Hendrix as a change of pace QB between the Air Force and Stanford games.

(And, no, I can't believe I just typed out another rehash of the Great QB Debate.)

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kickoff week. 'big picture' question-- - Jay, 2012-08-27, 08:22
- Sept '10 big picture thread here, btw - Jay, 2012-08-27, 12:44
- for me it's a two factor analysis - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 10:22
  - Quick question with regars to #2 - River, 2012-08-27, 11:09
    - no clue - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 11:15
      - Make it simple. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:18
        
        is that an important question? - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 11:30
        
        No way he has a rolodex. - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:41
        
        I heard he switched to a Samsung two weeks ago - Greg, 2012-08-27, 11:47
        
        have you read some of the stuff on that trial? - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 12:04
        
        No. Got any links? - Greg, 2012-08-27, 12:05
        
        sure - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 12:12
        
        Just like Apple for half the price? Brilliant! - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:48
        
        /patents snarky posts - Samari, 2012-08-27, 12:41
        
        Important or not it is the semantics. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:39
  - I agree with this line of thinking. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 10:54
    - We should get a better idea on the QB issue this year - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 11:39
    - short of NickBob Meyer-Cowher - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 11:23
      - I almost agree. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 12:09
    - I'm curious Sav how would you have handled the QB situation - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 11:00
      - Damnit. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 11:36
        
        You made that case well - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 11:59
        
        I like the construct... - BPH, 2012-08-27, 11:53
    - on the other hand, if Golson's a success - Jay, 2012-08-27, 10:59
      - Absolutely. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 11:02
  - Who's ready for Homerun Hire list 2012? - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:44
    - touch 'em all - Jay, 2012-08-27, 10:46
- As a rule I generally don't - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 09:31
  - A couple of things - Bill, 2012-08-27, 09:47
  - I'm beginning to think - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 09:42
  - Good post. - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 09:33
- No F-ing Way. - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 09:27
  - Surely you are engaging in hyperbole - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:18
    - My point is there exists no pragmatic bright line... - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 10:32
      - This makes no sense, seriously - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:38
        
        Dude, do you really think it's a relevant possibility... - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 10:53
        
        Where do you see the move to big-boy football? - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:06
        
        I'm talking operational stuff... - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:13
        
        What are those things? - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:21
        
        He runs a tighter ship... - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:39
        
        There have been some recent comments by assistants - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 11:55
        
        F=ma - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 12:03
        
        two recent citations - Jay, 2012-08-27, 11:58
        
        In terms of signed classes (edited) - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 12:10
        
        OK -- thanks for the responses. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:43
        
        Dude, you are the one who raised it. - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:58
        
        I shouldn't have brought up the "hate factor." - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:01
    - Flip this line of thought on its head though - Greg, 2012-08-27, 10:31
      - 2.7 is a weak number to keep bringing up - Savage, 2012-08-27, 10:46
        
        16/6 = 2.7 - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:08
        
        It should be 16/5. - Ken Fowler, 2012-08-27, 11:12
        
        Why? - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:16
        
        Thanks for that. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:02
      - Understood, but I think instability is the product - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 10:37
        
        O'Leary was prematurely terminated - Greg, 2012-08-27, 11:18
  - co-syne - Joe I, 2012-08-27, 09:46
- Well, yes and no. - Bill, 2012-08-27, 08:39
  - Agree with this - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:27
- Not strict W/L based - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 08:35
- A 6-6 season would likely trip one or more of them. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 08:34
  - I think that's probably where I am - Pat, 2012-08-27, 09:54
  - Anybody who considers #4 - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 08:37
    - I didn't really mean it as a stand-alone thing (edited) - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 08:43
    - I was asking about personal tripwires - Jay, 2012-08-27, 08:42
      - Not to be "that guy" - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 09:41
        
        as a supporting factor, it's gonna creep in - Jay, 2012-08-27, 09:52
        
        Even worse: - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:22
        
        No kidding - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 10:10
        
        I've found this very interesting - Eric M, 2012-08-27, 11:18
        
        I was more referring to - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 11:34
        
        How often did you ever see Holtz? - Bill, 2012-08-27, 10:20
        
        Certainly true - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 10:27
        
        From Holtz we have - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:30
        
        I think Holtz is an accomplished 'speaker' - Bill, 2012-08-27, 10:39
        
        I am not calling for a parsing of everything Kelly says - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:42
        
        I think it's fair to say... - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:36
        
        good question - Jay, 2012-08-27, 10:42
        
        To make it interesting, what does BK do better than Holtz? - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:46
        
        He's a better swimmer - Greg, 2012-08-27, 11:04
        
        He needs to be. - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 11:13
        
        I'm not touching the "better than Holtz" angle... - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:52
        
        FWIW, the answer to this can be "nothing" - Dylan, 2012-08-27, 10:51
        
        Very true - but in fairness, I would give Kelly - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:54
        
        Yet, that seems to be a problem for many people.... - River, 2012-08-27, 11:16
        
        I am serious - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 11:23
        
        Honestly I think the good ones are all like that. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:43
        
        no lisp - Jay, 2012-08-27, 11:05
        
        Good one. Also more Irish - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 11:11
        
        he'd make a good Father Flanagan - Jay, 2012-08-27, 11:30
        
        "For a fat guy, he doesn't sweat much." - Dylan, 2012-08-27, 11:01
        
        Yeah, Holtz is just better than everyone. - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 10:38
        
        He spoke at the end of a Mass at the end of the '96 season. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 10:34
        
        I don't dispute that feelings about the coach matter - Greg, 2012-08-27, 10:15
        
        Kelly may be a nice guy and a good football coach - Dylan, 2012-08-27, 10:44
        
        "He's a street fighter." -- Bob Diaco - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:53
        
        "Charmless" is a good word. - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:49
        
        Just out of curiousity - Bill, 2012-08-27, 11:13
        
        Going off topic - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 11:18
        
        Saban is Belichick type personality on the collegiate level - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 11:44
        
        Definitely true - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 10:16
        
        What do you think of this: - Ken Fowler, 2012-08-27, 09:51
        
        Respectfully, it's still crap. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 11:08
        
        Respectfully, I think you just fell into my trap - Ken Fowler, 2012-08-27, 11:32
        
        That's not a trap. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 11:44
        
        That's not what the 4th factor above is limited to. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:14
        
        And I have a hard time blaming the coaching staff - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 11:46
        
        If it continues into his third year - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:49
        
        I think we agree in principle. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 12:29
        
        And if you judge Saban by the same standard... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-08-27, 11:17
        
        Which is why I said from the start that part - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:25
        
        Yeah, it was under your thread, but I was really... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-08-27, 11:33
      - Somewhat OT question, particularly for the clinic guys... - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 08:53
        
        I'm not sure he's an innovator so much as a... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-08-27, 11:32
- Not just W/L, but... - Greg, 2012-08-27, 08:33
- Regular season: 8-4. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 08:32
  - Let me make sure I understand. - Slainte Joe, 2012-08-27, 08:34
    - I clarified. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 08:35
- Not at this point. I'm thinking long-term. - Ken Fowler, 2012-08-27, 08:29
  - Rees is effectively done at ND - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:17
  - This year is the last year where subjective criteria, IMO, - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 08:52
- Actually have not. - River, 2012-08-27, 08:28
  - We are so effing due for a fun season. Even if it - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 08:59
    - I think we're going to be fun to watch this year - CK08, 2012-08-27, 09:03
      - Fun is a choice. - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 09:49
        
        Much like bourbon. - KGB, 2012-08-27, 10:39
        
        Indeed. - Slainte Joe, 2012-08-27, 10:08
      - I am cautiously optimistic that we will be. - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 09:28
      - Those are really good points - Greg, 2012-08-27, 09:10
        
        MSU opens againt BSU - River, 2012-08-27, 09:45
        
        Not sure about that (with regard to MSU) - CK08, 2012-08-27, 10:20
  - Yes please. - KGB, 2012-08-27, 08:43
    - Agree - CK08, 2012-08-27, 08:58
    - Yup. That is where I am at. - River, 2012-08-27, 08:46
      - Me too - Jeff (BGS), 2012-08-27, 09:02

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