That's not what the 4th factor above is limited to.
That refers to the whole subjective package: team morale, sniping in the press, sideline stuff, player & recruit defections (not explicitly mentioned above), etc. These don't show up in wins and losses, but they're still relevant to projecting where this team might be headed under Kelly.
Complete thread:
- kickoff week. 'big picture' question-- -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 08:22
- Sept '10 big picture thread here, btw - Jay, 2012-08-27, 12:44
- for me it's a two factor analysis -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 10:22
- Quick question with regars to #2 -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:09
- no clue -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 11:15
- Make it simple. -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- is that an important question? -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 11:30
- No way he has a rolodex. -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:41
- I heard he switched to a Samsung two weeks ago -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 11:47
- have you read some of the stuff on that trial? -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 12:04
- No. Got any links? -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 12:05
- sure - HumanRobot, 2012-08-27, 12:12
- No. Got any links? -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 12:05
- Just like Apple for half the price? Brilliant! -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:48
- /patents snarky posts - Samari, 2012-08-27, 12:41
- have you read some of the stuff on that trial? -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 12:04
- I heard he switched to a Samsung two weeks ago -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 11:47
- Important or not it is the semantics. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:39
- No way he has a rolodex. -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:41
- is that an important question? -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 11:30
- Make it simple. -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- no clue -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 11:15
- I agree with this line of thinking. -
Savage,
2012-08-27, 10:54
- We should get a better idea on the QB issue this year - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 11:39
- short of NickBob Meyer-Cowher -
HumanRobot,
2012-08-27, 11:23
- I almost agree. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 12:09
- I'm curious Sav how would you have handled the QB situation -
hobbs,
2012-08-27, 11:00
- Damnit. -
Savage,
2012-08-27, 11:36
- You made that case well - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 11:59
- I like the construct... - BPH, 2012-08-27, 11:53
- Damnit. -
Savage,
2012-08-27, 11:36
- on the other hand, if Golson's a success -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 10:59
- Absolutely. - Savage, 2012-08-27, 11:02
- Who's ready for Homerun Hire list 2012? -
BPH,
2012-08-27, 10:44
- touch 'em all - Jay, 2012-08-27, 10:46
- Quick question with regars to #2 -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:09
- As a rule I generally don't -
hobbs,
2012-08-27, 09:31
- A couple of things - Bill, 2012-08-27, 09:47
- I'm beginning to think - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 09:42
- Good post. - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 09:33
- No F-ing Way. -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 09:27
- Surely you are engaging in hyperbole -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:18
- My point is there exists no pragmatic bright line... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 10:32
- This makes no sense, seriously -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:38
- Dude, do you really think it's a relevant possibility... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 10:53
- Where do you see the move to big-boy football? -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:06
- I'm talking operational stuff... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:13
- What are those things? -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:21
- He runs a tighter ship... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:39
- There have been some recent comments by assistants -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 11:55
- F=ma - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 12:03
- two recent citations -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 11:58
- In terms of signed classes (edited) - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 12:10
- OK -- thanks for the responses. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 11:43
- There have been some recent comments by assistants -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 11:55
- He runs a tighter ship... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:39
- What are those things? -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:21
- I'm talking operational stuff... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:13
- Dude, you are the one who raised it. -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:58
- I shouldn't have brought up the "hate factor." - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:01
- Where do you see the move to big-boy football? -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:06
- Dude, do you really think it's a relevant possibility... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 10:53
- This makes no sense, seriously -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:38
- Flip this line of thought on its head though -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 10:31
- 2.7 is a weak number to keep bringing up -
Savage,
2012-08-27, 10:46
- 16/6 = 2.7 -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:08
- It should be 16/5. -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 11:12
- Why? - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 11:16
- It should be 16/5. -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 11:12
- Thanks for that. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:02
- 16/6 = 2.7 -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 11:08
- Understood, but I think instability is the product -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 10:37
- O'Leary was prematurely terminated - Greg, 2012-08-27, 11:18
- 2.7 is a weak number to keep bringing up -
Savage,
2012-08-27, 10:46
- My point is there exists no pragmatic bright line... -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 10:32
- co-syne - Joe I, 2012-08-27, 09:46
- Surely you are engaging in hyperbole -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:18
- Well, yes and no. -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 08:39
- Agree with this - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:27
- Not strict W/L based - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 08:35
- A 6-6 season would likely trip one or more of them. -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 08:34
- I think that's probably where I am - Pat, 2012-08-27, 09:54
- Anybody who considers #4 -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 08:37
- I didn't really mean it as a stand-alone thing (edited) - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 08:43
- I was asking about personal tripwires -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 08:42
- Not to be "that guy" -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 09:41
- as a supporting factor, it's gonna creep in -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 09:52
- Even worse: - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:22
- No kidding -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 10:10
- I've found this very interesting -
Eric M,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- I was more referring to - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 11:34
- How often did you ever see Holtz? -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 10:20
- Certainly true -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 10:27
- From Holtz we have -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:30
- I think Holtz is an accomplished 'speaker' -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 10:39
- I am not calling for a parsing of everything Kelly says - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 10:42
- I think it's fair to say... -
BPH,
2012-08-27, 10:36
- good question -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 10:42
- To make it interesting, what does BK do better than Holtz? -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:46
- He's a better swimmer -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 11:04
- He needs to be. - NDSF, 2012-08-27, 11:13
- I'm not touching the "better than Holtz" angle... - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:52
- FWIW, the answer to this can be "nothing" -
Dylan,
2012-08-27, 10:51
- Very true - but in fairness, I would give Kelly -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:54
- Yet, that seems to be a problem for many people.... -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:16
- I am serious -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:23
- Honestly I think the good ones are all like that. - River, 2012-08-27, 11:43
- I am serious -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:23
- no lisp -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 11:05
- Good one. Also more Irish -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:11
- he'd make a good Father Flanagan - Jay, 2012-08-27, 11:30
- Good one. Also more Irish -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:11
- "For a fat guy, he doesn't sweat much." - Dylan, 2012-08-27, 11:01
- Yet, that seems to be a problem for many people.... -
River,
2012-08-27, 11:16
- Very true - but in fairness, I would give Kelly -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:54
- He's a better swimmer -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 11:04
- To make it interesting, what does BK do better than Holtz? -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:46
- Yeah, Holtz is just better than everyone. - domer.mq, 2012-08-27, 10:38
- good question -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 10:42
- He spoke at the end of a Mass at the end of the '96 season. - Kevin, 2012-08-27, 10:34
- I think Holtz is an accomplished 'speaker' -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 10:39
- From Holtz we have -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:30
- Certainly true -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 10:27
- I don't dispute that feelings about the coach matter -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 10:15
- Kelly may be a nice guy and a good football coach -
Dylan,
2012-08-27, 10:44
- "He's a street fighter." -- Bob Diaco - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:53
- "Charmless" is a good word. -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 10:49
- Just out of curiousity -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 11:13
- Going off topic -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- Saban is Belichick type personality on the collegiate level - hobbs, 2012-08-27, 11:44
- Going off topic -
NDSF,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- Just out of curiousity -
Bill,
2012-08-27, 11:13
- Definitely true - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-08-27, 10:16
- Kelly may be a nice guy and a good football coach -
Dylan,
2012-08-27, 10:44
- I've found this very interesting -
Eric M,
2012-08-27, 11:18
- What do you think of this: -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 09:51
- Respectfully, it's still crap. -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 11:08
- Respectfully, I think you just fell into my trap -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 11:32
- That's not a trap. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 11:44
- That's not what the 4th factor above is limited to. -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:14
- And I have a hard time blaming the coaching staff -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 11:46
- If it continues into his third year -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:49
- I think we agree in principle. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 12:29
- If it continues into his third year -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:49
- And if you judge Saban by the same standard... -
scriptcomesfirst,
2012-08-27, 11:17
- Which is why I said from the start that part -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:25
- Yeah, it was under your thread, but I was really... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-08-27, 11:33
- Which is why I said from the start that part -
Kevin,
2012-08-27, 11:25
- And I have a hard time blaming the coaching staff -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 11:46
- Respectfully, I think you just fell into my trap -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 11:32
- Respectfully, it's still crap. -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 11:08
- as a supporting factor, it's gonna creep in -
Jay,
2012-08-27, 09:52
- Somewhat OT question, particularly for the clinic guys... -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-08-27, 08:53
- I'm not sure he's an innovator so much as a... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-08-27, 11:32
- Not to be "that guy" -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 09:41
- Not just W/L, but... - Greg, 2012-08-27, 08:33
- Regular season: 8-4. -
Pat (Moco),
2012-08-27, 08:32
- Let me make sure I understand. -
Slainte Joe,
2012-08-27, 08:34
- I clarified. - Pat (Moco), 2012-08-27, 08:35
- Let me make sure I understand. -
Slainte Joe,
2012-08-27, 08:34
- Not at this point. I'm thinking long-term. -
Ken Fowler,
2012-08-27, 08:29
- Rees is effectively done at ND - BPH, 2012-08-27, 10:17
- This year is the last year where subjective criteria, IMO, - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 08:52
- Actually have not. -
River,
2012-08-27, 08:28
- We are so effing due for a fun season. Even if it -
BillyGoat,
2012-08-27, 08:59
- I think we're going to be fun to watch this year -
CK08,
2012-08-27, 09:03
- Fun is a choice. -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 09:49
- Much like bourbon. - KGB, 2012-08-27, 10:39
- Indeed. - Slainte Joe, 2012-08-27, 10:08
- I am cautiously optimistic that we will be. - BillyGoat, 2012-08-27, 09:28
- Those are really good points -
Greg,
2012-08-27, 09:10
- MSU opens againt BSU -
River,
2012-08-27, 09:45
- Not sure about that (with regard to MSU) - CK08, 2012-08-27, 10:20
- MSU opens againt BSU -
River,
2012-08-27, 09:45
- Fun is a choice. -
domer.mq,
2012-08-27, 09:49
- I think we're going to be fun to watch this year -
CK08,
2012-08-27, 09:03
- Yes please. -
KGB,
2012-08-27, 08:43
- Agree - CK08, 2012-08-27, 08:58
- Yup. That is where I am at. -
River,
2012-08-27, 08:46
- Me too - Jeff (BGS), 2012-08-27, 09:02
- We are so effing due for a fun season. Even if it -
BillyGoat,
2012-08-27, 08:59